OC legal at 18?

[jaredbelch]

Given the new Utah law which allows carrying a loaded handgun in your own vehicle, can an 18 year old carry loaded (or unloaded) in his / her own vehicle (even if not immediately visible)? Any thoughts on this?

The only age-related laws on possession or carry in Utah are what I already mentioned -- less than 18, no handgun, and no long gun without parental permission; less than 14, no firearm without supervision.

Otherwise, all Utah firearm laws apply the same, regardless of age.

I'll take it that your opinion is a "yes" to my question then? I figured as much but thought I would get second opinions.

That would be a yes. And being in a vehicle exempts you from the STATE school zone restrictions. You can drive through them to your hearts content without a permit, open or concealed. Just remember the unconstitutional, unenforced, Federal GFSZA would still apply.

[Pistol Pete]

Technically, OC is legal at any age. However, there are some restrictions on possession of firearms which come into play

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[*]<18, it's illegal to possess a handgun, so long guns only.

One (partial) solution to that is to get a permit from a state that issues them at age 18. Then you can OC fully loaded (or CC, if you prefer), and you can ignore the school zone issue for day care, pre-school and post-secondary schools. K-12 is still a problem (though the likelihood of actually getting charged with that crime is slim to none).

Hey, did you ever become a CFP Instructor? I read one time you were thinking about it?

[divegeek]

Hey, did you ever become a CFP Instructor? I read one time you were thinking about it?

Working on it. It'll take a while. Getting the NRA certification required is going to cost more than I'd planned, and money is tight right now so I have to save up.

[B Cart]

So my brother signed up for the CCW course at Gunnies and was scheduled to take the class today. He went, but the instructor (who is a police officer) told him that he would not sign off on his papers because he wasn't 21. The instructor didn't let him take the class. My brother told him he was applying for a maine permit, which utah recognizes, but the instructor told him that utah does not accept maines permit. The instuctor also told my brother it was illegal to purchase a handgun at the age of 18. I was under the impression that you could purchase one from a private buyer at 18. Is that correct? Is there a specific law that states this?

The guy sounds like he didn't really know what he was talking about. He has been in law inforcement for 20 plus years, supposedly. My parents took the same class today and they said he taught them to never carry concealed or open with one in the chamber ever. I don't agree with that, and I don't think it's safe for him to be teaching his students that. That's just my opinion I guess.

Anyway, can a person legally buy a gun at 18?
and I looked on BCI's website under CCW permit reciprocity, and the Maine permit is NOT listed as one that Utah recognizes. Multiple people on here said we do recognize this permit. Am I missing something?

[Car Knocker]

B Cart,

Reciprocity requires a formal agreement between states to recognize each other's permits. Recognition means exactly that, the permit is recognized. The first statement on the BCI reciprocity page:

In accordance with U.C.A. 76-10-523, Utah will honor a permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by another state or county.

Therefor, Utah recognizes a permit issued by the state of Maine.

Federal law is prihibits a licensee (FFL) from selling a handgun to anyone under the age of 21 but is silent on the question of whether anyone 18+ can buy one from a private party. See 18 USC 922(b)(1). UCA 76-10-527 allows a private party sale in Utah to an 18-y.o.

I'd cover your questions in more depth but I'm cooking dinner at the moment.

[jaredbelch]

So my brother signed up for the CCW course at Gunnies and was scheduled to take the class today. He went, but the instructor (who is a police officer) told him that he would not sign off on his papers because he wasn't 21. The instructor didn't let him take the class. My brother told him he was applying for a maine permit, which utah recognizes, but the instructor told him that utah does not accept maines permit. The instuctor also told my brother it was illegal to purchase a handgun at the age of 18. I was under the impression that you could purchase one from a private buyer at 18. Is that correct? Is there a specific law that states this?

The guy sounds like he didn't really know what he was talking about. He has been in law inforcement for 20 plus years, supposedly. My parents took the same class today and they said he taught them to never carry concealed or open with one in the chamber ever. I don't agree with that, and I don't think it's safe for him to be teaching his students that. That's just my opinion I guess.

Anyway, can a person legally buy a gun at 18?
and I looked on BCI's website under CCW permit reciprocity, and the Maine permit is NOT listed as one that Utah recognizes. Multiple people on here said we do recognize this permit. Am I missing something?

The BCI likes to hear this kind of feedback about the instructors. Please go to the BCI website and send the appropriate feedback.

[PW]

Here's the link:
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFPsurvey.html

[Dustin WJ]

I created a doc specifically for the college sponsored event a while back. I've uploaded it and you can retrieve it from: http://lifeatwarp10.com/docs/Maine%20Handgun%20Safety.pdf

I just got off the phone with Maine's Weapons and Gaming department. The lady I spoke to told me she has been receiving many copies of this document and it is not acceptable. The applicant must send an actual certificate, such as an NRA course completion certificate which includes the instructors ID number.

[Nuttycomputer]

I created a doc specifically for the college sponsored event a while back. I've uploaded it and you can retrieve it from: http://lifeatwarp10.com/docs/Maine%20Handgun%20Safety.pdf

I just got off the phone with Maine's Weapons and Gaming department. The lady I spoke to told me she has been receiving many copies of this document and it is not acceptable. The applicant must send an actual certificate, such as an NRA course completion certificate which includes the instructors ID number.

Interesting - I wonder if they have someone new over there... we may need to see if we can contact someone's superior as she is clearly not following the law:

"...A course completion certificate or other document, or a photocopy, is sufficient if it recites or otherwise demonstrates that the course meets all of the requirements of this subparagraph.” - 25 M.R.S.A. § 2003

This document is exactly how I sent mine in only a year ago and my permit was issued no problem. I see no requirement in law that it must be a certificate... nor do I see any requirement that it must be given by an NRA Instructor. Only someone that the state (in which the class is given) is recognized as knowledgable in firearms. This could also be a police department. I suppose if they really need it I can edit it to give it a certificate feel but I see no reason as this document already meets the legal requirements.

[PW]

I'm waiting on my little sisters permit to arrive.
We mailed her's off about 6-7 weeks ago with the document we provided. We haven't heard anything about her permit yet. I assume it will be arriving shortly.
I'll let you know what happens.
-Paul

[Dustin WJ]

I'm waiting on my little sisters permit to arrive.
We mailed her's off about 6-7 weeks ago with the document we provided. We haven't heard anything about her permit yet. I assume it will be arriving shortly.
I'll let you know what happens.
-Paul

Did she use the document mentioned above.

[PW]

Update.
My sisters permit application was rejected for the above reason. (Somebody seems to think that they need a NRA certificate)
I called Maine and the person I need to talk to (JoAnn) was out of the office today. The lady I spoke with said she thought what was being provided was sufficient and she didn't think it was a problem. She promised me JoAnn would call back. I will definetely gets JoAnn's supervisor name and phone if I don't get anywhere. I have read the law over and over and can find nothing that makes the form Nuttycomputer provided invalid. And the lady that answered the phone thought the same. So I'll let you know where I get with JoAnn and what she has to say as apparently she is the one that processes the permits and is rejecting them.

[Dustin WJ]

Update.
My sisters permit application was rejected for the above reason. (Somebody seems to think that they need a NRA certificate)
I called Maine and the person I need to talk to (JoAnn) was out of the office today. The lady I spoke with said she thought what was being provided was sufficient and she didn't think it was a problem. She promised me JoAnn would call back. I will definetely gets JoAnn's supervisor name and phone if I don't get anywhere. I have read the law over and over and can find nothing that makes the form Nuttycomputer provided invalid. And the lady that answered the phone thought the same. So I'll let you know where I get with JoAnn and what she has to say as apparently she is the one that processes the permits and is rejecting them.

Thanks for the update. I'm sorry your sister's application was rejected. Let us know what happens.

[Nuttycomputer]

Update.
My sisters permit application was rejected for the above reason. (Somebody seems to think that they need a NRA certificate)
I called Maine and the person I need to talk to (JoAnn) was out of the office today. The lady I spoke with said she thought what was being provided was sufficient and she didn't think it was a problem. She promised me JoAnn would call back. I will definetely gets JoAnn's supervisor name and phone if I don't get anywhere. I have read the law over and over and can find nothing that makes the form Nuttycomputer provided invalid. And the lady that answered the phone thought the same. So I'll let you know where I get with JoAnn and what she has to say as apparently she is the one that processes the permits and is rejecting them.

I'm also deeply sorry the permit was rejected. Especially given that it was a result of my form. As stated I see nothing wrong with my form though I am willing to speak with them regarding making any adjustments they deem necessary. Though as stated before my form completely matches the letter of the law. I will also try to reach out to JoAnn but I am going to pm you my contact info incase you speak with her first. I will love to talk to her regarding this process.

[PW]

Your form meets the requirement of the law IMO. It will be interesting to see what JoAnn has to say.
(Nutty... thanks for the PM)