UtahJarhead wrote:I think I see your point, and I think there's even an answer to it. I think that defining line is 'brandishing'. Drawing a weapon and flashing it at someone or pointing it at someone, even if it's empty. The law has defined that line which people may or may not cross, and even in light of that law, this guy, jackwagon that he is (I love that word), is still legal.
We can't legislate fear.
Actually we can and do. If you are in reasonable fear of you life, you get to employ deadly force against your assailant. In some cases, such as when you are in your home and someone is attempting to gain unlawful, unwelcome entry, the law presumes
you are in reasonable fear of your life unless there is strong evidence to the contrary.
The question is, what is reasonable vs what is phobic (or irrational)? There may well be a gray area in the middle we would call "poor taste" or "offensive".
Properly holstered gun, whether visible or not? No reasonable cause for fear in the absence of some other conduct or knowledge of the individual having ill intent.
Gun in a waistband that was lifted specifically to expose it? Reasonable fear.
Gun in hand, finger on or near trigger? That has moved from merely "bearing" or carrying a firearm to "accessing" the firearm, or even "engaging": what most laymen would call "brandishing" or "threatening".
P90 in a combat sling across the chest, with a second gun in combat sling on the side (fully exposing both triggers, BTW), in a busy, public, urban location, not anywhere near a gun store, gun show, or shooting range? In the wake of Arizona, the guy with the shotgun at the LDS temple in South Jordan, and the AWOL soldier carrying his rifle in downtown SLC? The gray of "offensive" starts looking pretty black to me. I think the line has been crossed and reasonable men will be in reasonable fear.
Has anyone bothered to honestly answer the question posed here about what would you do if you saw this 10 seconds after dropping your wife and kids off at the mall? Folks, this is the hardcore pro-gun group. If you can't nearly universal agreement that you would not be apprehensive at seeing this, perhaps even take affirmative measures to ensure your family's safety, then by definition, the proverbial "reasonable man" is not going to view this particular display of a couple of guns as "peaceful" or lawful.