Laws on Knives in Utah ???

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Postby Outsider » Sun 06 Apr 2008 8:40 pm

I don't know about the laws but I carry one anyways. I don't carry anything bigger then the palm of my hand, that is the general rule I've always lived by. I carry it in my left pocket with the clip hanging out so people know it is there if they are looking for it. I don't carry on my belt because I'm afraid that it will slip out.
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Postby divegeek » Mon 07 Apr 2008 8:52 am

Outsider wrote:I don't know about the laws but I carry one anyways. I don't carry anything bigger then the palm of my hand, that is the general rule I've always lived by. I carry it in my left pocket with the clip hanging out so people know it is there if they are looking for it. I don't carry on my belt because I'm afraid that it will slip out.

It depends on the specifics, but knives are generally considered "dangerous weapons" and so can't be carried concealed. If you have a CFP, you are exempted from the restriction on carrying concealed weapons of any sort, so you can conceal a knife.
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Postby Outsider » Mon 07 Apr 2008 9:46 am

Most interesting... I wonder if the Boy Scouts know this...
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Postby Mazellan » Mon 07 Apr 2008 3:32 pm

It also depends on whether you are using it for a tool or for self defense. So if your ever stopped don't tell the officer you are carrying it for self defense unless you have a cfp.
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Triathlon » Sat 30 Aug 2008 5:02 pm

I too have wondered about automatic knives in Utah. I found the following, but I don't know about the accuracy of their statement. See the table of state laws on automatic knives at this link. Found site on a google search.

http://www.rubberdoctor.com/POLICY%20IN ... STATES.htm


BladeHQ is an online store that sells automatic knives and they are located in Lehi, UT. I emailed them with the question and I'll summarize what I learn. http://www.bladehq.com/cat--Contact-Us--95
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Shaolin » Sat 30 Aug 2008 8:31 pm

I would also be interested in that answer. :shades:
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby rdoggsilva » Sat 30 Aug 2008 10:13 pm

Shaolin wrote:I would also be interested in that answer. :shades:


I second that. I would like to know also.
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Triathlon » Tue 02 Sep 2008 11:14 am

This is what Jacob at http://BladeHQ.com wrote back to me in email:

"It is legal to carry and own, unconcealed (i.e. pocket clip must show), an
automatic knife in Utah. I do not know if a CFP allows you to carry a knife
concealed. We do not require any sort of military I.D. to purchase. You are
welcome to come to our Lehi store and handle the knives."

Blade HQ
628 E. State St. # 4
Lehi, UT 84043


His response coincides with much of what I found on the internet, except he clarified what unconcealed means in regard to these knives.
Can anyone verify that the pocket clip showing means the knife is unconcealed? What if you sit down and your shirt covers the clip?

Now someone needs to do more research to see about whether or not a CFP holder can carry one of these concealed. Someone wrote an eBay guide that indicates their opinion is that it is ok. http://reviews.ebay.com/Quick-Reference-Guide-to-US-State-Switchblade-Laws_W0QQugidZ10000000007130677

The federal laws around automatic knives can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade. One of the laws "prohibits possession on Federal lands, Indian reservations, military bases, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other protectorates." Be careful in Utah if you end up getting one of these knives because there is lots of acerage the federal government owns that is scattered around Utah, so check a detailed map when you leave the cities and towns just to be sure you don't accidentaly carry an auto knife on some plot of remote federal land 50 miles from civilization - or even driving to your your favorite fishing/hunting/outdoor recreation spot.

"The Federal Government owns nearly 650 million acres of land - almost 30 percent of the land area of the United States. Federally-owned and managed public lands include National Parks, National Forests, and National Wildlife Refuges." This .gov website has very basic maps showing federal lands and indian reservations state by sate to give you a general idea for where you can't carry your auto knife. http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/fedlands.html#list

Use this link to see a high resolution map of Utah showing federal lands and indian reservations. http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/pdf/fedlands/ut.pdf
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Triathlon » Tue 02 Sep 2008 1:48 pm

Since there are no auto knives allowed on federal land, I was wondering about BLM land, and yes, I think that BLM land would fit into that category as well. Anyone agree or disagree? And don't forget the United States Post Office and USPS parking lot. Here are some links that tell more about public lands in utah and there are a lot more kinds of public lands than I realized. Perhaps we can find a land expert who can help us learn which of the not obviously Federal public lands really are Federal lands. But it sure would be much easier to just use an assisted opening knife all of the time because 70% of the land in Utah is BLM land or National Forest land.

Different types of public lands:
Bureau of Land Management Lands
National Parks & Monuments
National Forests & Monuments
National Forests and Grasslands
National Wildlife Refuges
Lakes: Bureau of Reclamation
Lakes: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Military Reservations
State Parks, Monuments and Other Lands (State lands are ok. Which “Other Lands” might be Federal lands?)
Wilderness Areas
Wild & Scenic Rivers
Scenic and Back Country Byways
National Trails
NOAA Marine Reserves & Estuaries (None in Utah. landlocked)


The links about public lands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_landhttp://www.publiclands.org/explore/index.php?plicstate=UT&PublicLandsDOTorg=7e693aa6264fb072766b5129504479dc#option4(bottom of page under "Select Public Lands")

Other things I've found:
The Automatic Knife Association: http://members.aol.com/akaswitchblades/
Some legal cases about knives: http://www.thehighroad.org/library/blades/knifelaws.html
Knife ownership advocacy organization similar to the NRA: http://www.kniferights.org/

After we get everything figured out we should start a new thread that has one post that cuts to the chase regarding the legal issues of automatic knives and non-automatic knives in Utah - by directing people to the legislative code and administrative code references and summarizing what all of that means and the implications while mentioning we are not lawyers.
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Jeff Johnson » Tue 02 Sep 2008 5:26 pm

Thanks! From what you posted, I added a bullet to the list of Federal laws of interest to gun-owners in the thread:

Handy links to Utah and Federal gun laws online
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby hedonistic » Fri 05 Sep 2008 1:50 pm

A research project about the contents of your pocket. Thanks, but, many manuals are just as fast, some are faster! Emerson knives, Emerson licensed by spyderco, cold steels AK47 and TI lites all open manually in the conventional or on the edge of your pocket as you draw it. I have a 6 inch ti-lite that I have used as a machete, a pocket knife and as a pointer for a few classes, yes it is that big.
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby wg.rova » Tue 20 Dec 2011 1:30 pm

I just called the number on my Utah CFP(801) 965-4445 and asked about auto knifes. She said that the permit is a CFP and does not include concealed knifes as they aren't firearms. The clip or knife has to be showing or visible if it is an automatic knife. The CFP won't help you if you're caught concealing it. I'm sure a police officer will correct you on the issue especially if you have a CFP.
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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Kevin Jensen » Tue 20 Dec 2011 1:34 pm

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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby Car Knocker » Tue 20 Dec 2011 3:20 pm

Welcome to UCC, wg.rova.

Have you actually read the law on what a CFP allows?

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Re: Laws on Knives in Utah ???

Postby wg.rova » Tue 20 Dec 2011 4:27 pm

@ Car Knocker.

I haven't read anything the CFP doesn't ask for. Is there something I should be aware of? This is why I called the CFP.
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