Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Mon 14 Jun 2010 9:29 pm

Updated the list to match DocGKR's latest.
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
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Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Fri 24 Sep 2010 9:24 pm

Edited the .40 S&W list to include Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (RA40B).
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
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Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Sun 14 Nov 2010 7:37 pm

Added a link to Ammunition To Go on the first post. Most if not all of the loads in DocGKR's list have been seen for sale there at one time or another during the last few months. They generally do a good job of always keeping in stock at least a few different loads from the 9mm, .40, and .45 lists.
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
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Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Thu 11 Aug 2011 9:06 pm

S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
pistol-training.com
The M&P Endurance Gun
Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Fri 21 Oct 2011 11:51 am

Updated the original post with the good Doctor's current list.
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
pistol-training.com
The M&P Endurance Gun
Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP

Postby MichaelD » Mon 30 Jul 2012 3:43 pm

Updated to the current list found here: http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php? ... fense-Ammo
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
pistol-training.com
The M&P Endurance Gun
Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby MichaelD » Thu 19 Nov 2015 1:04 pm

DocGKR updated his list earlier this year and I'm only now getting around to updating the first post. This is the list as it appeared before the update on 2/6/2015:

9 mm:
Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

.40 S&W:
Barnes XPB 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (RA40B/Q4355/S40SWPDB1)

.45 ACP:
Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)
Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)
S&W M&P9
S&W M&P9c
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The M&P Endurance Gun
Dr. Gary K. Roberts' list of recommended SD ammo

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby James » Thu 17 Nov 2016 8:54 am

Omigosh all that fuss over a bullet. I started shooting over 70 years ago. My father taught me at a very young age. We lived on a farm and kept chickens and other small animals besides the milk cows. There was a variety of small varmints that would do damage to our critters, and since Dad was not always around he taught me to use the guns to dispatch the pests. Here is what I can tell you, if you can hit the varmint you will discourage him. If you can hit him in the head, he will go down immediately and stay down. So if you want to get it over quickly, put the first one in the head! Really doesn't matter what caliber. Hitting the target is what matters.

I also want to add: In all my years, have never had need to pull a gun in self defense, but like to have the option.
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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby UtahCFP » Thu 17 Nov 2016 1:13 pm

James wrote:Omigosh all that full over a bullet. I started shooting over 70 years ago. My father taught me at a very young age. We lived on a farm and kept chickens and other small animals besides the milk cows. There was a variety of small varmints that would do damage to our critters, and since Dad was not always around he taught me to use the guns to dispatch the pests. Here is what I can tell you, if you can hit the varmint you will discourage him. If you can hit him in the head, he will go down immediately and stay down. So if you want to get it over quickly, put the first one in the head! Really doesn't matter what caliber. Hitting the target is what matters.

I also want to add: In all my years, have never had need to pull a gun in self defense, but like to have the option.


I'm not sure I'd lump dispatching pests in the same category as self-defense. :roll:
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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby Snurd » Thu 17 Nov 2016 1:51 pm

UtahCFP wrote:
James wrote:Omigosh all that full over a bullet. I started shooting over 70 years ago. My father taught me at a very young age. We lived on a farm and kept chickens and other small animals besides the milk cows. There was a variety of small varmints that would do damage to our critters, and since Dad was not always around he taught me to use the guns to dispatch the pests. Here is what I can tell you, if you can hit the varmint you will discourage him. If you can hit him in the head, he will go down immediately and stay down. So if you want to get it over quickly, put the first one in the head! Really doesn't matter what caliber. Hitting the target is what matters.

I also want to add: In all my years, have never had need to pull a gun in self defense, but like to have the option.


I'm not sure I'd lump dispatching pests in the same category as self-defense. :roll:


That depends on the pest. :wink:


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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby UtahCFP » Thu 17 Nov 2016 2:15 pm

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby James » Sun 04 Dec 2016 3:20 pm

Quote: " I'm not sure I'd lump dispatching pests in the same category as self-defense."

Depends on the critter. Have you ever came face to face with a cougar?

Like I said, caliber and bullet not so important as hitting the (Whatever) pest in the head! :roll: Heavens sake man, by the time I was 15 I had likely killed more pests than you have in a lifetime. :bat:

Seems the question was what bullet to use for..............

Like I said, bullet don't matter if you can shoot. Good grief any of the bullets you mention will stop a man immediately if hit in the head. Get It?
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Re: Recommended self-defense loads for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45

Postby Luv10mm » Wed 07 Dec 2016 8:40 am

James wrote:Like I said, bullet don't matter if you can shoot. Good grief any of the bullets you mention will stop a man immediately if hit in the head. Get It?


I think everyone agrees with you on this point. The problem is, hitting someone reliably in the head while you are dodging bullets, and they are running around too, isn't so easy. So, with that in mind, if you can use bullets that reliably expand and penetrate, you improve your chances of stopping the threat just in case you don't get that perfect head shot.

Are you really claiming that you could reliably get head shots on critters running/dodging full tilt in a field (and shotguns don't count)? If so, then you are definitely in a rare class and this ammo list may not be necessary for you.
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