divegeek wrote:If you can manage that kind of accuracy, it doesn't matter what kind of gun you're shooting.
I'm not suggesting that you should attempt to aim specifically for a persons hands, face, groin, or throat, I'm just pointing out the fact that human targets have all sorts of high value hit points which do not require 8",10", or 12" of penetration through protective layers of clothing, muscle and/or bone.
divegeek wrote:And keep in mind (as hyrax already mentioned) at self-defense ranges you'll have no pattern to speak of. The pellets and wad will strike in a compact mass not much larger than the diameter of your barrel.
Well, it depends on the shotgun's gauge, choke, and ammunition used but bird shots spreads rather quickly from an improved cylinder choke. I would guess that you would only have no pattern to speak of when shooting at less than 10-15 feet or so. If you have larger rooms in your house, or hallways, in excess of 15' I think you could benefit from a widening shotgun pattern. Your pattern wouldn't be massive, but I think theres definitely some potential benefit to be had if your home has large rooms and/or hallways. Even if there really were no benefit though, the shotgun's longer barrel,sight radius, and full stock make it more accurate in the hands of most shooters (compared to a handgun).
divegeek wrote: Steel Rain wrote:Handguns are easy to carry, concealable and sexy ( vs rifles & shotguns), but they really don't compare favorably to long arms in any other category.
Not long arms loaded with appropriate ammunition.
I agree that "birdshot" (even the higher quality, more potent stuff) isn't ideal for use as a home defense load. HOWEVER, I don't think its nearly as inadequate as some here are claiming. There's more to the effectiveness equation than x number of inches into the jello...