B Cart wrote:While I would agree that you can probably kill someone with bird shot, when shooting through clothing and then human flesh and bone, birdshot is probably not going to get ideal penetration.
Agree'ed if your only goal is to stop the threat. The other goal I have is to minimize risk to my family as much as possible.
B Cart wrote:Why have to shoot the attacker 5 times with birdshot, when you can more effectively put him down quicker with a buckshot load?
See above, I would rather shoot twice (or 5 times) if it means a significantly lower risk of harming / killing my own children and/or wife.
B Cart wrote: It's funny, everyone is claiming to be "such a good shot" and saying that shot gun loads aren't going to spread much at home defense distances. So are you worried you will miss the target entirely then? If you're worried about shooting through walls in your home, don't miss the target! I know it's easier said than done, but you all keep talking about distances of 10-15 feet. That's only 3-5 yards. Shouldn't be missing with a shot gun at that distance.
I have NEVER fired any gun at any human being; period. If I can hit 90% + when we go shooting clay pigeons at much further than any distance in my home I am fairly confident I could hit a man size target at 3-5 yard ranges. BUT, again, I have NEVER fired any gun at any human being, period.
I do not / can not know how my body and mind would react in a situation like that, and THAT is why I find it so important to minimize the risk. For example, a BG is running towards my kids room and I feel he is a threat to them, you can bet I am willing to pull the trigger to avoid any harm to my children. But what if he is standing between me and their room? That would be a horrible decision to make even if I wasn't in an emotionally / psychologically stressed state. As I sit at my computer I still don't know the right answer! what happens if I miss and it punches through drywall and insulation and into my kid? What happens if I let the guy get to my kids? I think that answer is a lot easier if I am confident that the shot will not have lethal energy once/if it has passed through their wall.
This discussion has got me thinking though. I am going to get some 0 or 00 shot that has proven to be more effective, and put it in the tube after my first one or two shots. The chances of some pcp freak breaking into my home are a lot slimmer than people make them out to be. If someone breaks into my house I think chances are it is one of 2 kinds of people. Neighborhood punk kids that don't think we are home looking for something to sell. Or my wife's ex husband when he gets out of prison. I think a blast of birdshot would take away ALMOST anyones will to stick around, that is why I still think bird shot has a strong place in home defense. It would be nice to have something heavier still in the tube in-case it wasn't enough. Back on topic, I think that the racking of the slide is a BIG deterrent and would make most people run despite the story above; I don't know anyone that wants to get shot by ANY gun. That being said I wouldn't rack that slide unless I was ready and willing to pull the trigger because by doing that you have just escalated the situation that he pretty much has two choices; run or attack you....
Or wander around your home looking for stuff to take if he doesn't think you are a threat? The story makes no sense to me at all. I don't think we know the whole story. Maybe it was the guy's druggy kid that knew he didn't keep ammo or a phone in the room? Maybe the BG was deaf? Maybe the guy was looking for or didn't care if he got a way out of this world that night? I don't know since I have never been their but I think anyone who recognized the sound would get the whole "fight or flight" instinct.