UtahJarhead wrote:So you're saying right now that they're working on clarification of the laws to ensure OC is allowed by those with a CFP?
No, "they" are not working on it. "We" are working on it. "We" includes individuals, local and national pro-gun organizations, and pro-RKBA legislators.
"We" have been working the issue for several years including the changes to the Utah law following the U's initial (though I believe improperly ruled) win in court trying to overturn State preemption. Those changes made it very difficult for the Utah Supreme Court to issue any ruling other than a pro-RKBA (and pro-legislative superiority) ruling on the final UoU v Shurtleff decision. Prior to that, "we" forced every State agency including the DWR and school districts to correct rules and regulations that violated State Preemption and individual RKBA.
Along the way "we" have passed parking lot preemption to assure the rights of most private employees to keep a gun in their car even if they park in a company parking lot. We've provided liability protection to property owners who do not ban lawful possession of firearms. We've strengthened the pro-RKBA community by making it easier to introduce youngsters to hunting. And we've managed to beat back every frontal attack on RKBA and almost every back door attempt to limit RKBA through "felony creep".
We continue to work on the very boring and arcane--but important--issues like exactly how fees for permits are approved, where the money from permits goes, and how it gets used.
We've managed to maintain the integrity of our permit system in terms of recognition in other States (for the most part) even as some who should be our friends and allies have made life hard on us for their own short term financial benefit. (Think fly-by-night or "online" Utah CCW courses or deliberately encouraging people not to get a home State permit but to instead get only a Utah permit.)
And "we" have several pro-RKBA bills planned for this next legislative session which starts the day after MLK day, January 2011. So "we" continue to do what we've been doing since before I
was even a part of "we" and "we" managed to win non-discriminatory, shall issue without giving up any permitted locations. Since that win in about '95 the only
locations we've lost have been private homes and houses of worship that take proactive measures to post/give notice. We've kept and even expanded schools. We've kept bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Nobody even mentions libraries, public parks, hospitals, or large gatherings anymore. Private businesses don't get any special "gun laws" to allow them to ban guns. It is, at most, a civil matter or possibly a trespassing issue if they don't want your gun in their store. Talk to those in other States, even shall issue States if you don't fully understand what a big deal all this is. We will continue to fight the good fight, to win what we can this year and come back next year for what remains. We'll push for and win modest, reasonable increases in RKBA and when the sky doesn't fall and the roads don't flow with blood we'll be back to make another, modest, reasonable change.
The question becomes what are you doing to improve this? Are you subscribed to the GOUtah! email alerts? Are you a member of the USSC and receiving their alerts? Do you know you State representative and State senator? More importantly, do they know you and respect your views or at least your ability to influence the next legislative election? Are you a delegate to your (or perhaps your State legislators') political party? Have you called or even better, met with, your State legislators to discuss this or other RKBA issues?
Rep. Sandstrom has publicly indicated he will run a bill to allow "Constitutional Carry" (aka Alaska or Arizona carry) where a permit is available to those who want or need it for recognition in other States or to legally carry in school zones, but said permit is not required to carry a usable, loaded gun, in public either openly or concealed. Have you prepped your legislator to support this bill?
As other pro-gun bills are introduced, including those that will bolster and clarify the legality of OCing on college campuses, will you have the relationship with your legislators so that your call or visit or note sent into the legislative chamber will carry the appropriate weight? It is not my place to publicly disclose what other bills are being drafted. The timing for that kind of disclosure is usually calculated on the part of sponsors to maximize the odds of success. But several bills are in the works. None of them will give us everything we want. Each will be a modest and important win and set the stage for additional wins in the near future.
JoeSparky gives me some kind credit. The reality is, "we" have the ear of legislators because "we" can affect the results of elections. We are also honest when we provide legislators with information. And we are civil and mature even in disagreement. And we avoid sounding too radical most of the time. We eschew civil disobedience or disturbance.
If you, or anyone else, happens to live in a district represented by a hopelessly anti-RKBA legislator, don't give up even if he has a lock on your district for as long as he wants it. Adopt a pro-gun or even fence sitting legislator from another district. Work on campaigns for him/her to some reasonable degree. Visit on a semi-regular basis. Accept honest disagreement on less important issues when those arise. But build a relationship.
At the end of they day, good ideas are important. But don't underestimate the value of working relationships either. I sincerely hope everyone on this list is subscribed to at least one--if not multiple--of the local, pro-gun email alerts that are available, that everyone dedicates a few hours during the session to making phone calls, that everyone here takes a few hours during election season to put up yard signs, serve as a delegate, and otherwise be actively and visibly involved in legislative campaigns. Many of those who gave us shall issue are not as young as they once were. A lot
of work went into that. I've been privileged to be a part of preserving and even expanding upon that in the face of some pretty big challenges including Columbine and gun owner apathy when Bush won the White House.
We need to all ask ourselves what we are doing, personally, to make sure that we do our part to pass on even better laws for RKBA to the next generation. OCing and otherwise publicly exercising our rights is a part of what we need to do. Networking here is helpful. Court battles are possible, but are risky and expensive. Legislative action to make sure the laws on the books are good is really crucial. And for too many, it gets short shift, especially when it comes to donating a little time or money to help decent (not perfect, but decent) men get elected and to then maintaining those relationships to help them stand firm in the face of severe pressure from the media, from squishy colleagues, from executive branch agencies, and from anti-RKBA lobbyists and organizations.