lmj301 wrote:It was a secret . Who would have thunk it .
Look at what happened to Nick. The U police are bullies, as is the admin IMO. Typical of Higher Ed. Shout about keeping rights, and being active in government and policy making. But then bully and keep down the people who follow your suggestions, but on a topic that you don't approve of. Freedom, if it is of the same ideals as "The Man".
dewittdj wrote:Petition, anyone???
Daeyel wrote:They may have utterly and completely shot themselves in the foot (pardon the pun)
We shall see if the Legislature acts to end these open carry on campus shell games once and for all.
We can do our part by asking our legislative representatives very pointed questions such as:
'What do you intend to do this legislative session to reign in the illegal actions of university presidents and university police chiefs who attempt to ban open carry on their campuses?'
Honorable Representatives of Utah,
I have always admired the stance of our state on firearms rights, and am appalled by the egregious violation of State law by the University of Utah.
I feel that the State must intervene in defense of these officers who acted as "whistle-blowers" in order to protect their employment. No policy that is contrary to state law should be considered confidential; "emergency" plans, as the University claims this is part of, should be on file with the Utah Highway Patrol for review. The University has flippantly disregarded the law, and the leadership should be admonished for it. I feel lawmakers should call for the Board of Regents to pursue those involved in making this policy and demand they step down or be censured.
I would ask that as our State legislative session opens soon, the FIRST bill to be introduced needs to clarify this once and for all for State funded universities. Each entity in the State should have CLEAR rules to follow, and punishments for those that willfully disregard them. The Office of the Attorney General should not be in a position where they must choose sides, or be handicapped in making a determination.
The citizenry of Utah are held accountable for violating State law, the leadership of the University of Utah MUST be held accountable as well.
Love to see this in the paper. I find it interesting that it has taken until now for something to happen. I mean, we got a copy of the September 2009 iteration of the policy in November 2009 and the April 2010 policy in November 2010, if not earlier. I thought there was an earlier post on the 2010 policy but I can't find it now.
Still, even if they're slow to figure it out, it's cool that this made the paper, and especially right now with the legislature less than three weeks away from starting the 2011 session.
I think the university really screwed up here by deciding to put Wellman and his buddy on leave. Without that action, the issue never would have made the paper, and it would have remained just a fringe issue of a bunch of gun nuts. Now, we have a fair number of gun nuts in the legislature, so the legislature might have done something anyway, but NOW it's a publicized issue. Not only that but the university is seen to have created secret policies which they're willing to go to great lengths to keep from the public, and are petty enough to retaliate against a whistleblower, who says that he felt a duty to go public because the university was breaking the law.
So... public institution of higher learning... secret police policies... illegal secret police policies... patriotic whistleblower getting slapped down by The Man... it's hard to see how this could have gone worse for the university's agenda.
And it sounds like Curt Oda is all geared up to take full advantage of the bully pulpit the university has given him. Let's all be ready to help!
The Board of Regents has given the U their blessings to handle firearms issues any way they wish. They are a major part of the problem. UVU is also in violation.
I've stopped USU and WSU from doing the same thing.
We need a citizen uprising against the U and UVU. Their faculty and administration is in the liberal end of the spectrum.
If citizens won't support them, they will see illegal immigrants as the answer to fill the gaps. That will then open up a whole new sore in the wound we want to inflict.
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