James wrote:Do military personnel have special privileges as far as carry goes?
The reason I ask: I know a man who is military, working locally, who carries openly all the time, even in LDS churches. I don't know if he has a carry permit. The other day he was carrying in a church and it was partly covered by a short vest, about half of the holster showing.
I have to wonder if military has special privileges, or is this guy just waiting for the sheriff to tap him on the shoulder?
DaKnife wrote:The question would be what does he do in the military? and what branch? In Cache Valley he could be Airforce at Hill though that's quite a commute. Otherwise he's not likely to be active duty and I'm not aware of any Guard positions in this state that would require or bestow full time carry duty similar to law enforcement. Further I doubt even the full time SP's at Hill are required to carry when off duty, due to the strict prohibitions and restrictions on weapons use when NOT required by duty. About the only other full time military in the state are Recruiters, and Various Reserve Unit full time staffers, none of whom would need to and thus be authorized to carry.
Specifically all military are prohibited from carrying while on duty, except for when their actual specific duty requirements require it. Further carrying on base (for those from Hill, Tooele Army Depot and Dugway Proving Grounds) is severely restricted. Further Utah gives no special carry considerations or privileges to military, except when required by mission. And such missions would be the exception (as during the Olympics in 2002), not a full time deal. No discounts or wavers on CFP classes or permit fees.
It's remotely possible, but very unlikely this person has any real "authority" to carry into a church, as there could somehow be a duty position that requires 24/7 carry, but I'm not aware of it. In fact you find many who work full time in the military do not really get into full time carry because they can't carry at all while on duty. It certainly stopped me from getting into the habit, and I still haven't gotten into it since losing my position due to budget cuts.
So pending him having a special job, I'm gonna say no, he has no special privileges and should not be carrying in the church.
who carries openly all the time, even in LDS churches.
Cinhil wrote:Again, if the ward has no issue with it it is not unlawful to carry open or concealed. If they are worried and ask him not to, and then he continues he may then be charged with trespassing as an infraction for the first offense. Until/unless this happens I would see no issue regardless of the method of carry.
Only active LEO.
morcey2 wrote:Paul wrote:...
Only active LEO.
What about less-active LEO's? If they don't show up to church all the time, does that mean that they can't carry in church when they do attend?
Cinhil wrote:Rather than repeat it I will provide the context of the law - notice the highlighted sections and yes, you can carry in a LDS church with permission:
althor wrote:Cinhil wrote:Rather than repeat it I will provide the context of the law - notice the highlighted sections and yes, you can carry in a LDS church with permission:
The question becomes, "Who's permission?"
I do not believe that local leaders have the authority to make the call in this case.
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