To whom it may concern,
Tonight I went to the restaurant in Pleasant Grove. We sat down and picked up the phone to order. When my wife finished placing our order, the young man on the phone asked if I was the one carrying a firearm openly. My wife said that I was and the young man then asked if I would cover it up. Now I do have a current Utah Conceal Permit and could cover legally. However, if I did not have one then your employee would be requesting for me to break state law. I am extremely disappointed with this. I have frequented the Lehi store many times while open carrying and not had any problems whatsoever. I am also concerned that if a police officer were to enter the store if the same employee would ask them to cover up. If they would not then that is a double standard. I have a bachelors degree in criminal justice/law enforcement and am waiting to attend the academy to become a police officer. As a Utah Concealed Permit holder, I am subject to a daily criminal check and have been through an extensive FBI background check and found to be trustworthy enough to carry a loaded firearm even to a school as a substitute teacher. How much do you know about your other customers especially the criminal that may be concealing illegally. As per my disappointment I am therefore not going to frequent any of your restraints again. I have also let all of the other open carriers and permit holders in Utah the situation and urged them to take their money to other 2nd amendment friendly establishments. Good luck in your endeavors.
Mazellan (full name omitted)
Car Knocker wrote:BCI runs daily computer checks on CFP holders for wants, warrants, convictions, etc, and has publicized this to the media. BCI will be happy to confirm it for you, no doubt.
usp40 wrote:Don't private business owners have the right to ask us to cover up in their places of business?
agreed.In any case, there's nothing wrong with Mazellan refusing to patronize an establishment because it denies OC.
It's not clear that they can order us to leave and make it stick, under Utah law.
usp40 wrote:It's not clear that they can order us to leave and make it stick, under Utah law.
i would hope that it would stick. If its a private business, they should be able to kick me out for any reason...bad business yes, but its still their property.
divegeek wrote:[The Utah trespassing statute includes an exception that makes this not always true. It says that it is a defense to a trespassing charge that the premises was open to the public at the time and the actions of the individual did not interfere with the owner's use of the property.
So, basically, if you're in a location that's open for anyone who wants to walk in, and you're not causing any problems, you're not trespassing even if they tell you to leave. That won't stop you from being cited and having to go to court, but it should prevent the charge from sticking.
lmj301 wrote:trespassing may not stick, but IMO you look like jerk, and make gun toting people look bad. I though the idea of OC (or one of them) was to show the general public that normal people carry guns too.
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