[Jeff Johnson]

Please boycott America Online.

If you're not familiar with the case, about four years ago, AOL fired three employees in Ogden for having guns in their cars. The three were seen on security cameras transferring them from one car to another so that they could drive to a shooting range at the end of the work day.

The employees sued AOL. AOL won. The employees appealed. Today, the Utah Supreme Court ruled in favor of AOL again.

I will never give another cent to AOL. They used to be my ISP, but never again. AOL is very anti-gun. Check out this account of their extreme anti-gun bias: AOL (America Online) Anti-Gun Policy. As you can see, AOL censors pro-gun home pages.

Also, check out this article at The Gun Zone: Gun-owners are definitely 2nd-class citizens on AOL!.

Larry Pratt, of GOA, wrote an article on the subject: Driving America Online offline

See this related thread about the Utah Supreme Court ruling: Employers Can Ban Guns in Cars in Their Parking Lots

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Here is the written ruling by the Utah Supreme Court.

Here is a final message on The Gun Zone from Luke Hansen, one of the AOL employees who was fired and sued.

 

[Cinhil]

Monster.com is anti gun.
Meier & Frank is anti gun & have fires legally carrying employees on discovery that they carry. :evil:

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Hi Cinhil, welcome to the forum !!

Do you have any references to direct us to for more information about how monster.com and Meier & Frank are anti-gun? Like newspaper articles? It's not enough to just baldly state that some company is anti-gun. Let's corroborate it.....

 

[Cinhil]

Jeff,

The issue of Meir & Frank is a couple of years old and was in the paper. An employee who has ccw always kept his gun in his vehicle while at work, one day he had to allow his wife to use the car & he took trax. Having nowhere to put his weapon & trying to be safe in his travels, he kept it on his person. Somehow someone was able to notice he was carrying & he was immediately called in to the office & terminated for violating the company's policy on weapons.
As for Monster.com, I received that information from a very reliable source. This source also informed me of the fact that they have donated a lot of money to Million Mom March, Brady Campaign & other anti gun groups. A search of ther donor lists should turn them up as sponsors.

 

[rhinokrk]

Welcome to the forum.

Just because a company does not allow employees to carry does not mean they are anti gun. If the person was not able to properly conceal a firearm while at work...

I'd like to know about a .com or .net that is publicly pro 2A.

 

[Thomas]

UtahConcealedCarry.COM is very Pro 2A. :lol:

 

[concealedutah]

UtahConcealedCarry.COM is very Pro 2A. :lol:

I understand we are even being ENCOURGED to carry here

 

[blackpuma]

Welcome to the forum.
Just because a company does not allow employees to carry does not mean they are anti gun.

You'll have to explain yourself here. What do you mean by "anti-gun" and when does it and when does it not indicate such a stance. This especially with concealed weapons.

While there are a limited number of cases where this might be true, the blanket "no guns even if you have a CCW" policy prevalant among employers normally reflects anti-gun stances.

Try briefly interviewing some CEOs. The bias comes out in a hurry.

 

[rhinokrk]

Well sense I “have to explain myself here”, I will.

I am happy to announce that I am no longer, “banging’ nails”, and I got hired as a regional trainer for a national company that specializes in construction related materials.

The company I currently work for does not allow weapons of any kind while working, but allows an employee to carry as a customer.

Some would see this as an antigun position, I do not. If your company doesn’t have a policy (gun related company’s don’t count here), try open carrying and see how fast the S.O.P. changes, probably about 5 minutes before you are fired. All it takes for a company of any size to inact a “No Carry” clause is one customer to be afraid of this person carrying a GUN.

With that said, I will not comment on whether or not I carry at work… because I don’t…. that would violate the SOP.

We all make decisions in life.

 

[Mr. Magnum]

"If your company doesn’t have a policy (gun related company’s don’t count here), try open carrying and see how fast the S.O.P. changes, probably about 5 minutes before you are fired. All it takes for a company of any size to inact a “No Carry” clause is one customer to be afraid of this person carrying a GUN. "

I don't work for a gun company, I'm a Designer/Draftsman. I work for a company that designs homes & some commercial buildings. My boss lets me bring my guns to work & when I arrive I unholster them & place them on my desk so I can sit at the computer more comfortably. Clients who come back to my office to go over plans & changes usually just ignore the guns or strike-up a conversation about them or the cartridges & expanded hollowpoints displayed on the window sill.

I will admit that such a cool employer is VERY hard to find though. :wink:

 

[Jeff Johnson]

I wish that I had a cool employer like you. 8)

(Green with envy)

 

[rhinokrk]

...My boss lets me bring my guns to work & when I arrive I unholster them & place them on my desk...

I’d personally require you to keep it holstered, I feel the more you handle a firearm the greater the possibility of an ND. Not to mention a customer (with a project 2 months behind, carrying a couple contracts) flipping out and grabbing the gun on the top of your desk, while you're comfortably typing on your computer.

Glad to hear you work for reasonable employer, you are THEE true minority.

 

[tapehoser]

LUCKY DOGS!!!

 

[Mr. Magnum]

I can understand where your coming from but give me a little credit. The idea that a disenchanted client could go postal is the reason he lets me bring my firearms.
Placement of the gun during working hours was carefully considered. The chair I use has a high back and arms so it would be next to imposible to draw if someone had me tied-up in close quarters fighting. My work area is "L" shaped (desks in front & at right against walls) so one can only stand to the left side & it would be very dificult to get behind me & fight past the high-back chair. So the gun goes on the upper right side of my work area where they can see it but it would be quite dificult to reach it, while I on the other hand can reach it easily. I'm also in the habit of carrying knife & deringer which do remain on my person while working.
Anyway, the Boss man considers me to be a responsible person, sees my decision on placement as well thought through & logical, Thus he allows it & thats all that matters to me.
It serves as a visual deterant, conversation starter and if needed it WILL be used to protect myself and my co-workers.

 

[blackpuma]

This begs the question of what would be good, sane policies?

We contract out absolutely everything that we can to avoid the employee headaches... plus we get great service from other entrepreneurs. But we have had to consider gun policies since we still someday may need to actually hire again (we keep saying that). I don't know how many contractors carry, but it's none of my business. I hope they all do.

The company premesis is private property, so CWPs are not required. My only thoughts really are ... don't be playing around with them, and keep show and tell to breaks. #1 is because we are all human and have those moments of "oops," and #2 is to keep our heads on track instead of on non-work fun stuff.

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To go off track... the bugger that I don't like is the zillions of questions you can't ask that might allow an interviewer to infer "taboo" information and open the company up to a hiring discrimination law suit... other employers here probably know what I'm talking about; the so-called "equal opportunity" BS.

The only things I really care about are whether the person can get the job done, is respnsible, and won't scare away clients. Thus my type of job interview would involve:

1) Can you demonstrate that you're competent?
2) Do you have guns in the plural?
2a) If yes, do you carry (for extra points)?
2b) If no, are you a *******?

But with my luck I'd end up interviewing some jerk who took offense and had a slimy tort lawyer for a brother-in-law.

 

[rhinokrk]

I can understand where your coming from but give me a little credit...

I didn't mean to offend you, just giving my point of view. I perfer it be concealed, so people aren't aware it's even there.

 

[Mr. Magnum]

I was'nt offended, it's all good. 8)

I did'nt clairify that to begin with which left things open to interpretation.

BTW it's good to see some chatter going on again.

 

[blackpuma]

I perfer it be concealed, so people aren't aware it's even there.

For any loaded weapon, that's what seems best to me. It minimizes the chance for mishap and keeps the bad guys guessing.

 

[bebott]

I wish that I had a cool employer like you. 8)

(Green with envy)

My place of employment doesn't care if you bring guns in or not. In fact we usually have at least a .22 rifle in our work trucks (bunny blasting on road trips). At least once a month we will all pile in a truck and go to Gallensons for lunch. Its great when the buisness owner is a gun nut like us. :lol: