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I have been seriously looking at getting a carbine of some type but have been discouraged but the lack of ammo available. I really would like an AR-15. Maybe the war is causing a shortage of all the .223 / 5.56 ammo. I have to say that I have never bought ammo online. Even many of the online ammo stores are out of stock. Gallensons, Sportsmans, and Cabelas have very little of the cheap practice rounds. Maybe I should consider an AK-47 since the ammo is more accessible. Where is everyone getting hold of .223 ammo and how much are you paying for it?

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knayrb said:
I have been seriously looking at getting a carbine of some type but have been discouraged but the lack of ammo available. I really would like an AR-15. Maybe the war is causing a shortage of all the .223 / 5.56 ammo. I have to say that I have never bought ammo online. Even many of the online ammo stores are out of stock. Gallensons, Sportsmans, and Cabelas have very little of the cheap practice rounds. Maybe I should consider an AK-47 since the ammo is more accessible. Where is everyone getting hold of .223 ammo and how much are you paying for it?

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I get mine through www.ammoman.com and Gallenson's in SLC.
 

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Impact has wolf 5.56 55gr fmj for $158/500. Getsome has wolf for $150/500. I got it at the last gun show from miwal for something like $240/1000. Cheaper than dirts prices suck right now. I used to buy lots of HSM at gun shows, but its expensive at the moment. Most local stores have lousy selections. The military is using a lot at the moment so its hard to get. Those guys deserve the very best. Its sad we have to pay more, but at least its going to a good cause.
My advice, hit the gun show and get there early. I love the AR carbine. You can do a lot more with one than you can with an AK. Lights, grips, triggers, and sights are all easier to do on an AR than a Kalashnikov. AK's are a lot of fun to shoot, but my AR's are my favorites! :shades:
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm
 

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For someone who may buy an AR-15 soon, given the current prices, is .223 the best type to get? Or would you get a different one?
 

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doconix said:
For someone who may buy an AR-15 soon, given the current prices, is .223 the best type to get? Or would you get a different one?
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned .223 (5.56x45) is the only way to go. AR's can be had in a variety of calibers, but .223 is by far the most common. One of the reasons to get an AR is the fact that parts and accessories are plentiful. If you decide to go with another caliber it’s a lot harder to get magazines and even ammo depending on what you go with. Ammo is a bit sketchy at the moment, but it can still be had and in large quantities if you wish.
 

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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned .223 (5.56x45) is the only way to go.
Is that .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO? My understanding is that they're not exactly the same. Weapons chambered for 5.56 NATO have to be able to withstand higher pressures so it's not safe to shoot 5.56 NATO cartridges in a .223 Remington weapon, and I believe there are also some disadvantages (accuracy, IIRC) in firing .223 ammunition in a weapon chambered for 5.56 NATO.
 

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Most AR-15's should be able to safely shoot either the .223 rem or 5.56 NATO, owners should just verify with the manufacturer's specs before attempting.

Wikipedia clarifies: .223 Remington versus 5.56 mm NATO
While the 5.56 mm and .223 cartridges are very similar, they are not identical. Military cases are made from thicker brass than commercial cases, which reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. Test barrels made for 5.56 mm NATO measure chamber pressure at the case mouth, as opposed to the SAAMI location. This difference accounts for upwards of 20,000+ psi difference in pressure measurements. That means that advertised pressure of 58,000 psi for 5.56 mm NATO, is around 78,000 psi tested in .223 Rem test barrels (SAAMI .223 Rem Proof MAP is 78,500 psi so every 5.56 mm round fired is a proof load, very dangerous). The 5.56 mm chambering, known as a NATO or mil-spec chambers, have a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the rifling engages the bullet. The .223 chambering, known as the "SAAMI chamber", is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber[2] or the Armalite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm and .223 equally well.

These 5.56x45mm NATO cartridges are identical in appearance to .223 Remington. They are, however, not completely interchangeable. Using commercial .223 cartridges in a 5.56-chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223-chambered gun due to the excessive leade. [3] Using 5.56 mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223-chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[4] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56 mm, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14[5], but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56 mm ammunition.
 

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The short answer is:
If it is chambered 5.56 then you can shoot either.
If it is chambers .223 then only shoot .223.

And yes, IMO the AR in 5.56 is the BEST by far. There are not that many AR's that are only chambered .223. Most of them are 5.56mm. The AR is highly customizable with tons of options. You can basically design any gun you want out of an AR.
 

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PW said:
The short answer is:
If it is chambered 5.56 then you can shoot either.
That is almost always true, but be sure to check your owner's manual. Some 5.56 won't chamber .223.

Definitely shop around for some good bulk deals. AR-15.com has an ammo section that posts good deals. Check the KSL classified. I was able to get 1300 brand new Federal A/E .223 for $350 a few months ago off KSL - a screaming deal.

If you go with AR, make sure it can shoot the steel-cased Wolf if that's what you go with. Some AR's have problems with it and it is both dirty and a bit hard on extracters, but the price is good (though you can't reload it).

.223/5.56 ammo prices are not likely to go down any time real soon and will likely continue their rate of increase - about 50% per year. They have however, plateaued just a bit. Still, if you can find a good price, I'd buy a bunch.
 
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