Here are links to those stories:
Police look for suspects in fatal shooting
3 suspects arrested in fatal shooting
Police look for suspects in fatal shooting
3 suspects arrested in fatal shooting
Thanks Jeff, I'll get the hang of it one of these years...Jeff Johnson said:Here are links to those stories:
Here are links to those stories: [url=http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=3108359]Police look for suspects in fatal shooting[/url] [url=http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3116423]3 suspects arrested in fatal shooting[/url]
First things first, don't have a door that can be kicked in easily. Even when I lived in apartments --which almost always have flimsy doors-- I used different home-brewed barricades, gives you at least enough time to GET to your weapon or the phone, preferably both. If your just sitting around watching a movie and your door flies off the hinges and the BG already has a bead on you, not a whole lot can be done.Desertrat said:http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3108359
Home invasion Friday morning in Salt Lake City, sounds more like an assassination.
Looks like SLCPD may have arrested the shooters already.
The sad thing about this is that the victim appears to have been a convicted felon who had gone straight, but still could not own a fire arm, then other BG's kick his door down and take him out right in his own home. None the less, what if these thugs had kicked down the wrong door...and it was at your house? Are home invasions on the increase in SLC, or is it just me? :huh:
Hard to say how his life would have gone without the opportunities and dangers created by the war on drugs, but it's certainly possible. If so, he's far from the first, and won't be the last.RobFindlay said:one could argue this guy was a victim of the "war on drugs."
+1scallywag46 said:I have always felt that there are two major problems with drug abuse. One is the violence surrounding the large amounts of money involved in illigal drugs and the other is the addictive nature of drugs and the harm they cause. If we decriminalize drug possesion then the money would drop out of the bottom of the drug trade via the freemarket system, hense the violence goes away. Then we would have to face the destruction of human lives the drugs themselves cause. Right now I think who ever wants drugs can get them, so if drugs were decriminalized the the number of addicts would only go up a small percent. Just my opinion. In the end you would still have a drug problem.
The problem I see with that is this: what happens when your son or daughter is stuck in the middle when the "taking of the gloves off" goes down??? I'm not saying what if your kid is a drug dealer or heavily involved in the drug scene. I'm talking about a kid who is dabbling and might otherwise turn out ok -- he's there at the dealer's home with a friend of his who took him there to get some "party favors"... now your kid is dead. I dabbled as a kid, and I turned around 180 degrees... but if the PD could've fought drugs like a real war it's pretty likely I wouldn't have had the chance to realize I was wrong and change.XD-Man said:It would be nice if the Unites States would just "take the gloves off" on the drug problem. Same with the border problem. Start using lethal force on those two problems, and both illegals and drug dealers would scatter like roaches when you turn on the kitchen light in the middle of the night. Automated 50 cal. machine guns with thermal sensors would do the trick.
Because that's what highly moral people do.XD-Man said:Why must we always "take the moral high ground"?
Absolutely. But the question remains -- is it just to kill someone b/c they failed to correctly fill out and submit required paperwork??? Remember, we are talking about people who are illegal solely for not going through the requisite paperwork process -- we aren't assuming they have committed other, more heinous, crimes. Should we also execute people for not doing their taxes?To everything there is a season, even one to kill.
Executing illegals and drug cartel guys found on our side doesn't seem to harsh to me if it's all on video tape with GPS readout on it which can be reviewed after each incident by a judge to assure that the evidence at the time was justifiable for the executions.
Maybe. Or, equally possible, we would find ourselves in an international catastrophe with not only drug cartels around the world financing war against us but shady governments around the world finding more than enough people just south of our border wanting their revenge on us. Mexico might become a terrorist-haven. And don't kid yourself, it would tear this country apart -- with so many LEGAL CITIZENS in this country who have family that are here illegally you can bet there would be mass chaos and uprising once we start blanket shooting all suspects.If the president issued and executive order for all illegals to exit the country within 6 months or die, there would be a mass run for the border.
The poor who come here come, for the most part, to make a better life for themselves. If we shoot them and chase them out they are going to look for other sources of income. The drug business is extremely profitable. I doubt catching any number of diggers would stop the flow of yet more diggers willing to give it a try. Unless you can leave the US and go kill all of the drug cartels and stop the flow of business and money, you aren't going to stop the drug problem from coming into this country just by killing drug-runners.My point is that if we did this for awhile, the border problem would disappear in a hurry. As for digging under fences and stuff, yeah that happens but not nearly as often as people just making a run for it and blatantly walking right across the border. We would probably discover the "diggers" too eventually and execute them as well.
Probably. But is that what we want... to set the stage and create a situation where we will be forced to go through another Civil War???I see your point of predicting that this authority might become something that might be adopted in the cities if successful, however, I do not agree with you that it could actually happen because we just wouldn't let it. There would be civil war.
I don't see that solving the violence problem that is associated with drugs, possibly marijuana but not the harder drugs that are addicting. People will still get so addicted and dependent that they will spend every dime they get to buy more. Drug addicts will pawn everything they own, rob and kill when they run out of money. Also I don't see them legalizing all drugs. There are many that are just to dangerous and toxic to manufacture. Meth is one that comes to mind.scallywag46 said:I have always felt that there are two major problems with drug abuse. One is the violence surrounding the large amounts of money involved in illigal drugs and the other is the addictive nature of drugs and the harm they cause. If we decriminalize drug possesion then the money would drop out of the bottom of the drug trade via the freemarket system, hense the violence goes away. Then we would have to face the destruction of human lives the drugs themselves cause. Right now I think who ever wants drugs can get them, so if drugs were decriminalized the the number of addicts would only go up a small percent. Just my opinion. In the end you would still have a drug problem.
Now *THIS* I can agree with! (actually your entire last post, for the most part) Indeed something *DOES* need to be done, I don't at all disagree.XD-Man said:We do need some kind of crackdown though. Another thing that upsets me about the illegals is the damage they have done to our culture and the influence they are gaining.
Yep, this actually happened to me just today! At Walmart I tried to return a product today but they wouldn't take it back so I left it in my cart and went shopping -- I was assured it wouldn't be a problem so I didn't sweat it. The checkout clerk saw the product in my cart and wanted to know if I wanted to buy it or not. I told her it was mine, not Walmart's; she started demanding the product back if I wasn't going to pay for it. I tried to explain the situation but she obviously wasn't understanding. Eventually she just let it go but you could tell she didn't understand what I was saying. That is very frustrating.When you are in the grocery store and the person behind the counter cannot communicate with you, and the illegals behind you in line are making all kinds of fun at you in spanish, it's humiliating. They make you feel like a foreigner in your own country!