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Hi all - My name is Steve and I'm a Utah resident (and gun owner) from birth but was, until recently, only moderately aware of the widespread affront to our 2A rights. I am new to CC and was looking for a better understanding of all that CC entails.
I found this site about two weeks ago and have spent many hours reading through just a fraction of the material available here. I appreciate the many efforts by so many to provide accurate information concerning rights, laws and such on this forum.

This seems like a great group of people.
I hope that I can learn enough to be able to contribute some day.
 

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Glad we haven't scared you off after the last 2 weeks. LOL. Welcome to the group. Post often and enjoy. Don't be afraid to express your opinion. Even though some of us disagree we all still like each other.... hopefully... right BANE? 8)

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Welcome to the group Steve!

 

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Hi Steve,

Welcome aboard, this is a great place to hang out.
 

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Glad we haven't scared you off after the last 2 weeks. LOL. . . .
On the contrary. I've found the differences of opinion to be very enlightening.

What do you do for a living?
Electronic Funds Transfer for businesses.

Are you the Steve that came to our Open Carry lunch on Saturday?
Yes. I was very happy to have found this site (and OCDO) just before the gathering. I didn't OC because my only holster is IWB. I felt a bit like an intruder but you were all very friendly. I hope to do it again someday soon.

Thanks for all the welcomes. I look forward to meeting more of you.
 

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Jeff Johnson said:
What do you like to carry?
Sorry Jeff, I almost missed you. I carry an HK USP40C. I have been considering getting something a bit smaller for CC so one of the things I'll be looking forward to reading about is experience/preferences with different models.
 

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I have been considering getting something a bit smaller for CC so one of the things I'll be looking forward to reading about is experience/preferences with different models.
Let the missionary work begin.....
 

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PW said:
Even though some of us disagree we all still like each other.... hopefully... right BANE?
Dude, what are you talking about??? I'm probably the most opinionated and least offendable person I know! So, yeah... I still like ya... that is, as much as one avatar can like another avatar! :wink:

PW: I also think you and I have more in common than it SOMETIMES appears... I have a feeling we agree in principal on quite a lot of things. I've noticed most people who I seem to disagree on things with the most are either complete opposites of me (which I'm sure isn't the situation here) or are so similar that the smaller dissimilarities get under the skin.

Steve: Welcome to the forum! I'm curious... do you know what your employer's policy regarding weapons is... and how do you react to it??? I'm asking just as a curiosity... I posted this question in another thread a while back. Also, you said that you've "found the differences of opinion to be very enlightening"... I couldn't agree more! VERY GLAD to see another open-minded individual that appreciates hearing different opinions! Pretty much everyone here is like that, which I really appreciate... in both my family and my wife's family as well as friends here in Utah (as opposed to friends I made in the Navy and California) I have found that here in Utah it is quite a bit harder to find people with this trait. Anyways... I'm probably rambling so I'll just cut this off saying *WELCOME*!!! Please post a bunch!
 

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.40x12 said:
I have been considering getting something a bit smaller for CC so one of the things I'll be looking forward to reading about is experience/preferences with different models.
Let the missionary work begin.....
Indeed... so I'll be the first. Before reading any more posts here regarding this issue, go rent an XD, both one of the larger models as well as the subcompact. See if it doesn't just feel AWESOME in your hand and intuitively shoots well for you. *THEN* come back here and start reading all of the reviews and comments and what-not.

I am confident after shooting it the XD will be at the top of your list. For other reasons, you may very well choose something else. But you owe it to yourself to shoot it first!
 

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LOL I swear, there for a while the Glock was all the rage.... Now its the XD, Tomorrow maye the Hi-Point.... :lol: :lol: Ok, probably not really the Hi-point but to each their own. I like the Glock in the Subcompacts for CCing but on any given day if you see me on the street, I have my Springifld full size 1911 on my hip in a BlackHawk SERPA holster. Just my opinion, go rent and shoot as many different ones as you can and then ask about your favorites out of the group. Good choice on the H&K though. What about an H&K P2000???? They are a bit smaller.
 

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Steve Welcome :D

It is good to have you here.

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As of right now, I own an HK USP .40, in both the fullsize and the compact, but I typically only concealed carry the compact. However, after going to Front Sight's 4 day Defensive Handgun course using my HK USP fullsize, I noticed there is one clear advantage to choosing an XD or Glock, and that is that in a quick draw situation, using an XD or Glock you don't have to worry about remembering to flip the safety off as you begin to focus in on your target.

With XDs and Glocks, you just point and shoot, no safety switch whatsoever. Some may see this as an advantage, while others (typically, law enforcement who are worried about having their own handgun used against them) see this as a disadvantage.

Personally, I like the XD over the Glock for two reasons, even though from an operators perspective they are very similar. First, for my hand, the XD fits much better and doesn't feel nearly as bulky as the Glock. I think you will find that Springfield has done nice job improving upon Glock's polymer design by making the gun thinner and more ergonomic. Second, while both the XD and Glock use passive safety type systems (there is no switch you must affirmatively click) the XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety, whereas the Glock just has a trigger safety.

As for the P2000, note that it does not come with a safety at all, but instead just has a decocker on the rear end of the slide. I have never seriously considered the P2000 cause I always figured some safety features are better than none.

If you check out the XD, take a hard look at the XD .45 ACP models, as this was Shooting Industry's Gun of the Year for 2006, and believe it or not, the .45 ACP models of XDs carry more rounds than the .40 models. Go figure.
 

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bane said:
I'm curious... do you know what your employer's policy regarding weapons is... and how do you react to it???
Fortunately, I'm not working for a large corporation, so reason prevails. I asked each person for their thoughts/concerns about me carrying in the office and other than one individual who pleaded with me not to get a wild hair . . . ., they all seem to appreciate the protection, though none would feel comfortable carrying themselves at this point. -Something to work on-

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I have found that here in Utah it is quite a bit harder to find people with this trait.
I agree completely! Though I've lived in Utah all my life, I've had several good friends from other areas who on the surface seem a bit abrasive, but who are actually quite sincere. I think many here are unintentionally raised in the belief that there should only be one viewpoint. Therefore, considering others points of view is more of a conscious decision to avoid the kneejerk reaction that disagreement is condemnation. /EndHijack

I suspect that the same personality traits that brought us to this forum are those that expect all people to think things through for themselves rather than accepting what they're told by default.

Bane: Love your sig!
 

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bane said:
Before reading any more posts here regarding this issue, go rent an XD, . . . . . . . . .
. . . :idea: . . . :shock: . . . RENT??? :shock:
I never imagined . . . so much to learn.
 

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Again , thanks everyone for the welcome.

Thanks to Bane, Chris and Sheepdog for the suggestions. I notice none of you are suggesting a smaller caliber. What about Khar?

All opinions are welcome :D
 

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Yeah... I like to shoot at Doug's Shoot 'n Sports on Redwood Rd and somewhere around 50th south. They have a store and a range. You can rent any gun from them you want and shoot it on their range. Actually, high-powered rifles can't be shot there but you can shoot all of their handguns.
 

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LOL I swear, there for a while the Glock was all the rage.... Now its the XD, Tomorrow maye the Hi-Point.... :lol: :lol: Ok, probably not really the Hi-point but to each their own. I like the Glock in the Subcompacts for CCing but on any given day if you see me on the street, I have my Springifld full size 1911 on my hip in a BlackHawk SERPA holster. Just my opinion, go rent and shoot as many different ones as you can and then ask about your favorites out of the group. Good choice on the H&K though. What about an H&K P2000???? They are a bit smaller.
I love my Glock and better than the XD and the Hi-Point. oh and welcome.
 
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