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due to my politics and precisely my bumper stickers.

Well they've been vandalized twice in random places so it's not the same guy...at least I hope it isn't.

I've spray-painted them black.

I'm tired of being assaulted and having my life threatened for being a "left-winger" though a good friend is a staunch Republican, so I'm not a "hater."

Look forward to seeing you on Thursday Chris.

-R







Oh and my ham shack just because well just because.



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marksman said:
Couldn't you just scrape them off? doesn't spray painting seem a little rash?
I was in a hurry :)

the spray-paint is the rough kind that wears off, it will likely take the stickers with them.

But I was mad and tired and hungery and it was half dark and i didnt trust myself with a razor.
 

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It is sad that we can't agree to disagree in a civil manner. While living in California I was considered a conservative Republican and often came under attack for my pro-gun letters to the editor. When I moved to Utah I became a "flaming liberal" because I wrote letters to the editor criticizing the divisive nature of certain talk radio hosts - I would receive unsigned letters with no return address giving me an earful of hateful bile. My political leanings haven't changed, just my geographic location.
 

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It is sad that we can't agree to disagree in a civil manner. While living in California I was considered a conservative Republican and often came under attack for my pro-gun letters to the editor. When I moved to Utah I became a "flaming liberal" because I wrote letters to the editor criticizing the divisive nature of certain talk radio hosts - I would receive unsigned letters with no return address giving me an earful of hateful bile. My political leanings haven't changed, just my geographic location.
The worst I have ever done is left a snarky or jokey MAGNETIC decal on someones car. Still mild tresspass, but it didnt destroy any property and that was back in my early 20's 37 now as of the 16th.

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69Roadrunner said:
It is sad that we can't agree to disagree in a civil manner. While living in California I was considered a conservative Republican and often came under attack for my pro-gun letters to the editor. When I moved to Utah I became a "flaming liberal" because I wrote letters to the editor criticizing the divisive nature of certain talk radio hosts - I would receive unsigned letters with no return address giving me an earful of hateful bile. My political leanings haven't changed, just my geographic location.
Nothing says "chicken-$#!+" like unsigned hate-mail. If you can't put your name on something, that means you are ahsamed of it and shouldn't have written it in the first place. Imagine if the Declaration of Independence had been signed, "Anonymous."

Same goes for vandalizing someone's car just because you disagree with their bumper stickers. I remember my first year of college, there was a car I always saw on campus that was plastered with stickers. "Meat is murder," "Fur is dead," etc, etc. I cringed every time I saw it but I never would have dreamed of touching someone else's car just because I felt differently.

Quote from "The American President": "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

Sorry for the rant, that kind of behavior just gets under my skin.
 

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69Roadrunner said:
It is sad that we can't agree to disagree in a civil manner. While living in California I was considered a conservative Republican and often came under attack for my pro-gun letters to the editor. When I moved to Utah I became a "flaming liberal" because I wrote letters to the editor criticizing the divisive nature of certain talk radio hosts - I would receive unsigned letters with no return address giving me an earful of hateful bile. My political leanings haven't changed, just my geographic location.
Nothing says "chicken-$#!+" like unsigned hate-mail. If you can't put your name on something, that means you are ahsamed of it and shouldn't have written it in the first place. Imagine if the Declaration of Independence had been signed, "Anonymous."

Same goes for vandalizing someone's car just because you disagree with their bumper stickers. I remember my first year of college, there was a car I always saw on campus that was plastered with stickers. "Meat is murder," "Fur is dead," etc, etc. I cringed every time I saw it but I never would have dreamed of touching someone else's car just because I felt differently.

Quote from "The American President": "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

Sorry for the rant, that kind of behavior just gets under my skin.
Not to get "pc" but it really is about tolerence.....i see things that offend me all the time, people should just be grown ups and take it in stride.

Really you should see such stickers and say "good still a free country."

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daveyG said:
keep yourself invisible. the ones that have done something right will never be known at all.
I'm not sure I understand your statement. One of the great things about our country is the freedom to express one's opinions. To quash open discussion just because you disagree is tantamount to censorship. Agree or disagree, open discussion is healthy for the democratic process and generally results in better government. Of course, you have to participate in government or, as Benjamin Franklin once said to woman following the Constitutional Convention regarding whether we had a government, "you have a Republic, if you can keep it" (not sure of the exact words, but it sums his answer up succinctly).
 

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RobFindlay said:
Not to get "pc" but it really is about tolerence.....i see things that offend me all the time, people should just be grown ups and take it in stride.

Really you should see such stickers and say "good still a free country."

-R
The kind of tolerance you are talking about is the opposite of "pc." If everyone was mature enough to "take it in stride," there would be no need for anyone to be "pc." While you and I may disagree (probably strongly) about many political issues, I think we can be friends. Hearing that you are pro-2a and not a "thin-skinned sissy liberal" gives me a glimmer of hope for the Democratic party.

Edit: to fix misquote.
 

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Thanks T-Man! But I didn't write that. Personally, I'm now unaffiliated as far as political party is concerned in Utah. Being unaffiliated has its disadvantages - for instance not being able to vote in the Republican primary. Based on Genetics Dave's questionnaire, it turns out I'm really right of center libertarian. Too bad we don't have a real third choice when it comes to elections. As much as I admire the libertarian philosophy, I don't want a repeat of George H.W. Bush v. Bill Clinton again so I tend to vote the lesser of two evils.

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69Roadrunner said:
Not to get "pc" but it really is about tolerence.....i see things that offend me all the time, people should just be grown ups and take it in stride.

Really you should see such stickers and say "good still a free country."

-R
The kind of tolerance you are talking about is the opposite of "pc." If everyone was mature enough to "take it in stride," there would be no need for anyone to be "pc." While you and I may disagree (probably strongly) about many political issues, I think we can be friends. Hearing that you are pro-2a and not a "thin-skinned sissy liberal" gives me a glimmer of hope for the Democratic party.
 

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Yeah I see now that I put the wrong name on the quote :oops: . I fixed it.
 

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To quote the great Rodney King "can’t we all just get along?" OK, so the guy is a moron. But he was right when he said that. We need to learn to get along. We need to learn to respect others views. I'm about as conservative as it gets. I couldn’t possibly disagree more with Mr. Findlays politics. But his right to believe what he does, his right to express his beliefs and his right to free speech are as important as mine. Because if he loses those rights, then I lose mine. Our diversity makes us unique. We're allowed to make up our own minds and we're allowed to vote our consciences. And we're allowed to express our views because we live in a free country. The founding fathers recognized that we are all endowed with God given rights. Our constitution safeguards those rights. Mine and Mr Findlays. The idiots vandalizing his car just don’t get it. Shame that.
 

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RobFindlay said:
Not to get "pc" but it really is about tolerence.....i see things that offend me all the time, people should just be grown ups and take it in stride.

Really you should see such stickers and say "good still a free country."

-R
The kind of tolerance you are talking about is the opposite of "pc." If everyone was mature enough to "take it in stride," there would be no need for anyone to be "pc." While you and I may disagree (probably strongly) about many political issues, I think we can be friends. Hearing that you are pro-2a and not a "thin-skinned sissy liberal" gives me a glimmer of hope for the Democratic party.

Edit: to fix misquote.
Forgive what is a "pro-2a" ?

I'm only a democrat during election season the rest of the time I'm a Left-Libertarian (wikipedia will splain it well.)

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T-Man said:
RobFindlay said:
Not to get "pc" but it really is about tolerence.....i see things that offend me all the time, people should just be grown ups and take it in stride.

Really you should see such stickers and say "good still a free country."

-R
The kind of tolerance you are talking about is the opposite of "pc." If everyone was mature enough to "take it in stride," there would be no need for anyone to be "pc." While you and I may disagree (probably strongly) about many political issues, I think we can be friends. Hearing that you are pro-2a and not a "thin-skinned sissy liberal" gives me a glimmer of hope for the Democratic party.

Edit: to fix misquote.
One thing i forgot to mention most PEOPLE, liberal or conservative are NICE people. It's the pundits and the politicians that are mean. INMHO.

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RobFindlay said:
Forgive what is a "pro-2a" ?
Pro second amendment.
Not to open a can of worms but for me it's a Human right first and foremost, before what any peiece of paper says. --paper has this habit of "changing." Keep in mind I don't even believe in governments as such.

As to regulation thereof.......lets not go there! lol don't want to open *that* can of worms!!

Hey is skeet shooting with kittens wrong? okay bad joke shutting up now.

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RobFindlay said:
Not to open a can of worms but for me it's a Human right first and foremost, before what any peiece of paper says. --paper has this habit of "changing."
I don't think you'll find any here to disagree with you on that. More generally, the Bill of Rights wasn't ever supposed to "grant" rights, it was supposed to affirm that government can't ignore the natural, God-given rights. That fact is poorly understood these days, unfortunately.
 

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RobFindlay said:
Not to open a can of worms but for me it's a Human right first and foremost, before what any peiece of paper says. --paper has this habit of "changing."
I don't think you'll find any here to disagree with you on that. More generally, the Bill of Rights wasn't ever supposed to "grant" rights, it was supposed to affirm that government can't ignore the natural, God-given rights. That fact is poorly understood these days, unfortunately.
I think it goes even deeper then that, it goes down to our biology.
 
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