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I ordered a couple of stripped lowers from Spikes Tactical in Florida. Very Nice. When they got to my FFL I went to pick them up. My understanding was that there is only one sheet that is "required by law". Then my FFL gives me this white sheet that has to be filled out. What gives? Says that they have to have it to do the BCI call. Seems like this is a new page that I have not noticed with my other purchases in years past. Any idea what it is? Have others used/seen it? Is it legal to "require" this be filled out? Who is keeping this record?

 

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GeneticsDave said:
That's the new illegal BCI gun registration form that they are making everyone fill out. :evil:
So if it's illegal, can't we call the Attorney General and get it stopped? Why doesn't somebody like Mitch Vilos do that very thing?
 

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Well, they claim it's not a gun registration form, it's a REQUEST to do a background check... that they need in writing... and they need a copy of. Of course, it will be destroyed by the BCI after a predefined period of time... you know... after they receive it... we trust them right?

I don't really understand why this new form is being required. It seems that the information on the 4473 is sufficient and all that is required is the 'green light' from BCI to release the firearm, so why they need a written copy is beyond me. It reeks of registration in my mind - hence my sarcastic, negative comment.
 

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Yes even in Utah, big brother is watching.
 

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When did they start enforcing the use? I bought a stripped receiver at FBMG in early May, and also a Springfield Armory 1911 from Gallenson's on May 7th, and I didn't have to fill one out either time. I dealt directly with Larry at FBMG.
 

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Since they aren't asking for the firearm S/N, and there isn't anything being asked for that you didn't supply when you applied for the CFP, I'm guessing they are verifying your CFP so you can skip the NICS check. Just guessin' here. :raisedbrow:
 

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Since they aren't asking for the firearm S/N, and there isn't anything being asked for that you didn't supply when you applied for the CFP, I'm guessing they are verifying your CFP so you can skip the NICS check. Just guessin' here. :raisedbrow:
Actually you have to fill it out even if you don't have a CFP and its a felony if you dont fill it out and a felony for the store if they dont fax it in.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
That's the new illegal BCI gun registration form that they are making everyone fill out. :evil:
It is annoying. When I bought a few guns at C-A-L Ranch in Tooele they had me fill one out. Just one for several guns, no firearm identifying information other than the "please circle". So BCI might argue its a form they use to keep track of background checks, not firearm sales.

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They've been required for several years but started enforcing them at the beginning of 2008. I know that the FFL's not submitting them will be hearing from the BCI very soon.

I'm not happy about them either but have two cents to add. The BCI is already keeping a record of each check done and the form 4473 is kept at the FFL for ten years. I see this only as a time waster for the customer and the FFL.
 

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Seems like it is being used to collect statistics on purchases. Such as the number of handgun, long guns, etc. Does the BCI had the legal authority to implement this sheet at the level of felony offense if not followed? If you have an answer to this please post with citation of legal code giving them this authority. The reason I as is that if they were to be able to do this what is stopping them from going further into regulatory paperwork at their discretion (gun license).
 

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Bflamante said:
Seems like it is being used to collect statistics on purchases. Such as the number of handgun, long guns, etc. Does the BCI had the legal authority to implement this sheet at the level of felony offense if not followed? If you have an answer to this please post with citation of legal code giving them this authority. The reason I as is that if they were to be able to do this what is stopping them from going further into regulatory paperwork at their discretion (gun license).
They can collect all of the statistics they want.....BUT they will not be any good in a few years. There is no requirement to record private sales. When I sold my guns I purposely did not record any of the sales. I no longer have the guns, I was not required to record anything about their sale and I refuse to be part of any future systematic gun confiscation plan where they use the records of former gun owners to track down present gun owners.

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so what about us poor suckers that filled out this paperwork on a NEW commercial gun?? Should I just "sell" my guns to my wife?
 

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I have seen them fax that paper in too, I did not have to fill it out though, my FFL did it for me.
I have seen a white sheet of paper being used for a long time that the FFL filled out while I worked on the 4473, but they always just stored it with the 4473 form.
 

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so what about us poor suckers that filled out this paperwork on a NEW commercial gun?? Should I just "sell" my guns to my wife?
I had not thought of that, but I guess, when you put it that way, it is strictly up to you. If neither of you are a FFL then no records are required.

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