+1 Amen brother. I moved back to UT from Santa Monica in '82 because of the over-population, insane traffic, cost of living, illegal imigrant and criminal gang problems. It wasn't an environment where I would want to raise a family. Sadly, SL County today reminds me alot of LA County then... *sigh*T-Man said:My distaste for California has just a little to do with their gun laws. It is an impressive state, with a lot of cool stuff to see, there's just WAY too many people there. Remember, this is the guy who took a job in Montana because Utah was getting too crowded.