I agree. And they are real cops. I have seen them arrest at least one person and detain many (not all at the same time, of course.)Snoopy said:I am no expert on the subject, but my gut tells me you don't have to show your cfp unless of course you get caught riding without a pass/ticket. I think it would only be in the event that they ask for your ID such as a drivers license that even considering showing your cfp would be appropriate.... consider it it they don't ask then don't tell type of situation... but again.. just my opinion.
It's not a felony anymore, it's s misdemeanor. The legislature recently changed that law. Maybe someone can help out with the citation.ScottyT said:don't try to get on a Greyhound or the Fun Bus for Wendover while carrying, lest you unwittingly become a felon!
You don't have to show your CFP to every cop you run into. If you're in the food court at the mall and an officer walks up to chat with you, you don't have to tell him you're carrying. It's only when you're being "detained" that you are required to give the officer notice. That means any time an officer has stopped you because he suspects you of a crime. Or knows you've committed a crime, as is the case with speeding.NPD said:I'm on trax right now, and I'm wondering if the UTA "cops/glorified ticket takers" ask to see my ticket do I have to show my cfp.
I usually do not like to overuse a picture, but I couldn't resistswillden said:NPD said:Anyway, he said that rarely did a week go by that some guy didn't walk up and state that he had a CFP and was carrying -- just in case, you know, they needed help. The instructor said that he always responded, deadpan, "Well, if I get in a shootout over at the Chik-fil-A, I'll be sure to give you a shout."
He told us "Please, don't be that guy."
Correct. Utah Law only requires you to disclose the fact that you are carrying if you are being detained on reasonable suspicion of committing a crime...(you should probably read the actual law yourself). Anyway, you only have to tell if you are being detained. Keep it simple that way and you will always be covered. A trax cop checking your ticket in not a situation where you are being detained so you don't have to tell.NPD said:Thanks for the replies, if the Trax officers did come aboard to check tickets, my interaction with them would be more than just a casual chat, but not a situation where I was suspected of criminal activity. Since it kind of fell in between these two clear situations I was unsure of what the law required. I was a bit worried because It is a very public place, and it would be impossible to tell them I was carrying without a lot of people knowing, and I prefer to be discreet whenever possible.
So when on Trax, I don't have to tell the officer I'm carrying unless he/she suspects I'm doing something wrong like riding without a ticket, or crossing the tracks in the wrong place.
You could always just get yourself a glock 7 and not worry about it :swat:GeneticsDave said:For some reason interstate buses are treated like aircraft. I'm not really sure of the logic, perhaps it's because it's not a public entity like UTA or because it crosses state lines and this is the easiest way to avoid legal issues with cargo and passengers. To be honest, I don't know much about the "why", but I do know that you should definitely treat Greyhound like United or American Airways when traveling with a firearm.
I think it's mostly just because gun control advocates have had more success with federal laws, and the federal government arguably can't regulate purely intrastate travel.GeneticsDave said:For some reason interstate buses are treated like aircraft. I'm not really sure of the logic, perhaps it's because it's not a public entity like UTA or because it crosses state lines and this is the easiest way to avoid legal issues with cargo and passengers. To be honest, I don't know much about the "why", but I do know that you should definitely treat Greyhound like United or American Airways when traveling with a firearm.