[NPD]

I'm on trax right now, and I'm wondering if the UTA "cops/glorified ticket takers" ask to see my ticket do I have to show my cfp. Are they real cops, and if so is this an encounter that I need to talk to them about?

 

[Snoopy]

I am no expert on the subject, but my gut tells me you don't have to show your cfp unless of course you get caught riding without a pass/ticket. I think it would only be in the event that they ask for your ID such as a drivers license that even considering showing your cfp would be appropriate.... consider it it they don't ask then don't tell type of situation... but again.. just my opinion.

 

[ian husford]

I am no expert on the subject, but my gut tells me you don't have to show your cfp unless of course you get caught riding without a pass/ticket. I think it would only be in the event that they ask for your ID such as a drivers license that even considering showing your cfp would be appropriate.... consider it it they don't ask then don't tell type of situation... but again.. just my opinion.

I agree. And they are real cops. I have seen them arrest at least one person and detain many (not all at the same time, of course.)

ian

 

[ScottyT]

They are indeed sworn Peace Officers.

And just a friendly reminder to my fellow members who might be looking to OC -- You can ONLY carry on UTA buses, TRAX and Frontrunner, etc, if you have a CFP! And CFP holders, don't try to get on a Greyhound or the Fun Bus for Wendover while carrying, lest you unwittingly become a felon!

Be smart, be safe!

...and buy Utah Gun Law, 3rd Edition by our good friend Mitch Vilos! (no, I don't get a cut of the profits...)

 

[hamm]

don't try to get on a Greyhound or the Fun Bus for Wendover while carrying, lest you unwittingly become a felon!

It's not a felony anymore, it's s misdemeanor. The legislature recently changed that law. Maybe someone can help out with the citation.

 

[divegeek]

I'm on trax right now, and I'm wondering if the UTA "cops/glorified ticket takers" ask to see my ticket do I have to show my cfp.

You don't have to show your CFP to every cop you run into. If you're in the food court at the mall and an officer walks up to chat with you, you don't have to tell him you're carrying. It's only when you're being "detained" that you are required to give the officer notice. That means any time an officer has stopped you because he suspects you of a crime. Or knows you've committed a crime, as is the case with speeding.

So even if they are real cops, they're just taking your ticket, not detaining you because they suspect you of a crime, and you have no obligation to inform them of your weapon or permit.

My CFP instructor was former Ogden PD and had worked at the Ogden City Mall downtown. Downtown Ogden being what it is, the OPD had about four officers patrolling the mall at all times, and they even had a small office right in the mall. Anyway, he said that rarely did a week go by that some guy didn't walk up and state that he had a CFP and was carrying -- just in case, you know, they needed help. The instructor said that he always responded, deadpan, "Well, if I get in a shootout over at the Chik-fil-A, I'll be sure to give you a shout."

He told us "Please, don't be that guy."

 

[xmirage2kx]

Anyway, he said that rarely did a week go by that some guy didn't walk up and state that he had a CFP and was carrying -- just in case, you know, they needed help. The instructor said that he always responded, deadpan, "Well, if I get in a shootout over at the Chik-fil-A, I'll be sure to give you a shout."

He told us "Please, don't be that guy."

I usually do not like to overuse a picture, but I couldn't resist

 

[NPD]

Thanks for the replies, if the Trax officers did come aboard to check tickets, my interaction with them would be more than just a casual chat, but not a situation where I was suspected of criminal activity. Since it kind of fell in between these two clear situations I was unsure of what the law required. I was a bit worried because It is a very public place, and it would be impossible to tell them I was carrying without a lot of people knowing, and I prefer to be discreet whenever possible.

So when on Trax, I don't have to tell the officer I'm carrying unless he/she suspects I'm doing something wrong like riding without a ticket, or crossing the tracks in the wrong place.

 

[Tarzan1888]

Yea....What Swillden said....

Tarzan

 

[Paul]

Thanks for the replies, if the Trax officers did come aboard to check tickets, my interaction with them would be more than just a casual chat, but not a situation where I was suspected of criminal activity. Since it kind of fell in between these two clear situations I was unsure of what the law required. I was a bit worried because It is a very public place, and it would be impossible to tell them I was carrying without a lot of people knowing, and I prefer to be discreet whenever possible.

So when on Trax, I don't have to tell the officer I'm carrying unless he/she suspects I'm doing something wrong like riding without a ticket, or crossing the tracks in the wrong place.

Correct. Utah Law only requires you to disclose the fact that you are carrying if you are being detained on reasonable suspicion of committing a crime...(you should probably read the actual law yourself). Anyway, you only have to tell if you are being detained. Keep it simple that way and you will always be covered. A trax cop checking your ticket in not a situation where you are being detained so you don't have to tell.

 

[Dustin WJ]

It's only when you're being "detained" that you are required to give the officer notice.

:agree:

 

[mjhuff51]

I'm a little confused about the greyhound/funbus rules. Is it because this type of bus is traveling interstate?

 

[GeneticsDave]

For some reason interstate buses are treated like aircraft. I'm not really sure of the logic, perhaps it's because it's not a public entity like UTA or because it crosses state lines and this is the easiest way to avoid legal issues with cargo and passengers. To be honest, I don't know much about the "why", but I do know that you should definitely treat Greyhound like United or American Airways when traveling with a firearm.

 

[xmirage2kx]

For some reason interstate buses are treated like aircraft. I'm not really sure of the logic, perhaps it's because it's not a public entity like UTA or because it crosses state lines and this is the easiest way to avoid legal issues with cargo and passengers. To be honest, I don't know much about the "why", but I do know that you should definitely treat Greyhound like United or American Airways when traveling with a firearm.

You could always just get yourself a glock 7 and not worry about it :swat:

 

[divegeek]

For some reason interstate buses are treated like aircraft. I'm not really sure of the logic, perhaps it's because it's not a public entity like UTA or because it crosses state lines and this is the easiest way to avoid legal issues with cargo and passengers. To be honest, I don't know much about the "why", but I do know that you should definitely treat Greyhound like United or American Airways when traveling with a firearm.

I think it's mostly just because gun control advocates have had more success with federal laws, and the federal government arguably can't regulate purely intrastate travel.

 

[Tarzan1888]

If I ever ride.....I'll never tell.

Tarzan