The way that I interpret it is that, if you don't walk through metal detectors, then it's not a secure area. Your mileage may vary. 
CCW in Government Buildings
BCI's website says no CCW in a courthouse or in a secure area.
Is the waiting room at the local police department typically a secure area?
Is the local city office building typically a secure area?
How about the DMV?
How about a federal government agency like a BLM office?
If I go to the Sheriff’s office, which has a jail on its premises, does that mean I should leave it in the car?
I come from Montana where you can't carry in any kind of government building (city, state, or national), so I'm just trying to adjust to different laws.
Is the waiting room at the local police department typically a secure area?
Is the local city office building typically a secure area?
How about the DMV?
How about a federal government agency like a BLM office?
If I go to the Sheriff’s office, which has a jail on its premises, does that mean I should leave it in the car?
I come from Montana where you can't carry in any kind of government building (city, state, or national), so I'm just trying to adjust to different laws.
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All secured areas must have metal detectors but not all areas that have metal detectors are secured areas.
To explain:
There are only 5 areas in this state that are allowed to by the legislature to be called "secured areas†These areas only become secured under the law when they comply with their portion of the statute, whereby they establish an area, that has a means of detection, postings and secured storage, (with the only exception to storage being airports)
Just because a place puts up a metal detector doesn't mean that they have a secured area under Utah Law and as such you are not violating the secured area statue.
Case in Point, The courthouses are allowed to call them selves secured areas IF they meet all 3 of the requirements. They lack the secured storage portion and as such do not have a secured area.
With that being said the judges even realize that and now by Judicial fiat / court order no guns are allowed. But if you violate their court order by trying to carry a firearm into the court you will be charged with, basically contempt of court.
I could go on and on about the courts and how they are, without a doubt, in violation of the law that only allows the legislature to set the areas and condition whereby firearms may be restricted. The very people we should look to as examples of obeying the law seem to be the first ones to violate it.
Do not think we have even come close to giving up on this matter. This will be dealt with and the judges will learn that they do not make nor can they break laws they do not agree with.
To explain:
There are only 5 areas in this state that are allowed to by the legislature to be called "secured areas†These areas only become secured under the law when they comply with their portion of the statute, whereby they establish an area, that has a means of detection, postings and secured storage, (with the only exception to storage being airports)
Just because a place puts up a metal detector doesn't mean that they have a secured area under Utah Law and as such you are not violating the secured area statue.
Case in Point, The courthouses are allowed to call them selves secured areas IF they meet all 3 of the requirements. They lack the secured storage portion and as such do not have a secured area.
With that being said the judges even realize that and now by Judicial fiat / court order no guns are allowed. But if you violate their court order by trying to carry a firearm into the court you will be charged with, basically contempt of court.
I could go on and on about the courts and how they are, without a doubt, in violation of the law that only allows the legislature to set the areas and condition whereby firearms may be restricted. The very people we should look to as examples of obeying the law seem to be the first ones to violate it.
Do not think we have even come close to giving up on this matter. This will be dealt with and the judges will learn that they do not make nor can they break laws they do not agree with.
Clark,
When I picked someone up at the airport last year, I noted that the doors at the parking lot were posted to indicate that the entire terminal was a secure area. Would this posting be contrary to legislative intent and unenforceable?
EDIT: For spelling
When I picked someone up at the airport last year, I noted that the doors at the parking lot were posted to indicate that the entire terminal was a secure area. Would this posting be contrary to legislative intent and unenforceable?
EDIT: For spelling
To answer your question which was very well worded by the way. The answer is simply ....yes
Don't forget his FEDERAL part of the question. If it's got anything to do with federal juristiction no guns allowed and doing so would be violating federal law. This includes the post office.
James,
For the sake of discussion, I've posted a link to an opinion by an attorney that holds that carry, by a permit holder, is legal in a post office. However, to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a test case to determine whether that opinion holds true and I don't intend to offer myself as that test case!
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html
For the sake of discussion, I've posted a link to an opinion by an attorney that holds that carry, by a permit holder, is legal in a post office. However, to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a test case to determine whether that opinion holds true and I don't intend to offer myself as that test case!
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html
Yes, judges are violating Utah State Law by refusing to offer a secure locked area for weapons to be retained while visiting the courts. Third District Court is a good example of the violation of the law. It is a loophole in the law because the law states that judges may arbitrarily create rules for the facility they are in--it is asinine, I know, yet it needs to be addressed and changed!
Also, whenever you go into a Post Office, the posted "law" is incompletely posted. The whole section concerning other lawful purposes is deliberately left out of that posting. Carry in a Post Office is legal. CCW carriers are allowed to do so. You can also walk into a Post Office & mail a gun as long as it is declared, but you can't mail ammunition-if I remember correctly.
Of course, thouogh, the best thing to remember is, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms Shal Not Be Infringed! These are abhorent offenses against the Constitution & ought to be fought on all sides! At all times! And with youthful vigor! This is why I admire & respect Mark for all of his efforts to fight these bigotted & anti-constitutional restrictions & laws.
Also, whenever you go into a Post Office, the posted "law" is incompletely posted. The whole section concerning other lawful purposes is deliberately left out of that posting. Carry in a Post Office is legal. CCW carriers are allowed to do so. You can also walk into a Post Office & mail a gun as long as it is declared, but you can't mail ammunition-if I remember correctly.
Of course, thouogh, the best thing to remember is, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms Shal Not Be Infringed! These are abhorent offenses against the Constitution & ought to be fought on all sides! At all times! And with youthful vigor! This is why I admire & respect Mark for all of his efforts to fight these bigotted & anti-constitutional restrictions & laws.
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