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Here's a couple of photos of brass that I collected after a "Mall Ninja" type fired a 9mm round through a .40 s&w.





Note the primer on the shot fired through the G22. The striker punched a hole completely through the primer. I'm glad that nobody was hurt, and the gun was not damaged in the process.

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I don't think that case on the left is safe to reload. It looks a bit bulged out. And just how did you manage putting a 9mm into a .40 S&W? I hope it wasn't on purpose.

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HE didn't do it, he said the MALL NINJA did. Good thing nobody was hurt, kinda sad that he didn't recognize the difference when he was loading them - they DO look different (9mm Luger having a round rosed bullet and .40 S&W having a flat nose - not to mention the size difference!).

The primer puncture sure is interesting - thanks for sharing this post! :thumbsup:
 

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That guy was a dilly weed. Did it hurt the pistol, is he going to check it out. If he was not injured he was lucky. That is why I keep my ammo separated and only shoot one caliber at a time.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
HE didn't do it, he said the MALL NINJA did.
I stand corrected.

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I agree that the unique shape of the bullet on a 9mm "ball round" is a dead give away (which this guy was using). Speer Gold Dot and other hollow point ammon OTOH could be rather tricky when you're moving fast and the rounds aren't side by side. I did a full inspection of the firearm and found it to be safe to shoot. The guy had a magazine ful of 9mm rounds. He fired one shot and got what looked like a double feed. He locked back the slide and manually extracted the case that formed t the .40 barrel and one round, chambered and fired again. After the second time, I suspected that something was up and stepped in to check out the situation. I inspected the first case that he extracted and immediately noted the hard hit on the primer. After reading the headstamp, I asked him what caliber he was shooting (to see if he knew the proper ammo for the G22 in his hand), and he told me .40 s&w. I handed him the case and asked if there was anything wrong with this particular case. That's when he turned several shade of red :oops: and realized what he did. I inspected all of his magazines and discovered only one of them (the one he was shooting) was loaded imporperly. After fixing the situation and giving him a brief lesson on how to tell the difference between the two cartridges, he resumed shooting with his friends. It was a great "teachable moment" as his friends were first time shooters. Didn't think it warranted tearing him a new one in front of all of his buddies. He got the message "Lima Charlie" and quietly thanked me on the way out for not dressing him down in front of his buddies.

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So was he shooting ball (FMJs) or JHPs? I'm really glad he didn't have a BOOM experience, also nice that the pistol wasn't damaged...
 

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So was he shooting ball (FMJs) or JHPs? I'm really glad he didn't have a BOOM experience, also nice that the pistol wasn't damaged...
He was shooting FMJ ammunition.

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I will have to admit that I did this once in my Sig P226 40S&W. :beat:

I am not sure how it happened but I think it was because someone had dropped a 9mm on the crowded table at the shooting range. While reloading a magazine, I dropped some 40 S&W rounds on the same table and inadvertantly picked up the 9mm round and put it in the mag with everything else.

On about the fifth shot, the P226 fed the 9mm round off of the mag and chambered it. The gun went bang like it was supposed too but a little softer and it didn't eject the round. When I opened the chamber the case looked just like the one above except the primer was still intact. It is the only FTE(Failure To Eject)that I have ever had with that gun.

I don't feel that anyone was in danger in my case or the case above. The case pressures of the 40 S&W are about the same as the 9mm and most of the gases will blow right past the 9mm bullet because it is not fitting tight to the barrel.
 

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The case pressures of the 40 S&W are about the same as the 9mm and most of the gases will blow right past the 9mm bullet because it is not fitting tight to the barrel.
That's where the problem arises. The 9mm could easily squib and when the next .40 goes down the pipe, that's when things get ugly.
 

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MarshallDodge said:
The case pressures of the 40 S&W are about the same as the 9mm and most of the gases will blow right past the 9mm bullet because it is not fitting tight to the barrel.
That's where the problem arises. The 9mm could easily squib and when the next .40 goes down the pipe, that's when things get ugly.
Very true. Lucky for Marshall he had a FTE, so he HAD to check the chamber and extract the casing (hopefully he looked down the barrel too). If the casing ejected, but the 9mm squibbed, wowzers!! That would be a bad deal :shocked:
 

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GeneticsDave said:
6av457 said:
Mall Ninja?
A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator. The phrase came about as a result of an over the top character in a famous satirical thread.

:ROFL: :lol2: :lol3: :lolbang:

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Oh no! Not that picture again. :lolbang:

Lucky for Marshall he had a FTE, so he HAD to check the chamber and extract the casing (hopefully he looked down the barrel too). If the casing ejected, but the 9mm squibbed, wowzers!! That would be a bad deal
If I remember correctly the 9mm made a smaller hole about 6" low right of the group on a target about 25 feet away.

You would have a hard time getting the 9mm to squib because the size is so small, small enough that you can drop a loaded round down the barrel, case and all. Lot's of room in there and the only thing that held the case during firing was the extractor.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
6av457 said:
Mall Ninja?
A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator. The phrase came about as a result of an over the top character in a famous satirical thread.

Thanks Dave, that thread made my day :lolbang:
 

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All I can say is that you should know your gun and what to feed it.

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GeneticsDave said:
6av457 said:
Mall Ninja?
A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator. The phrase came about as a result of an over the top character in a famous satirical thread.
Wow! In all my years i've never seen a thread that compares to that one. Here's one of my favorite lines so far.

My “Black-Ops” history ensures that you will never know about the missions I accepted in my younger days, and Vietnam still shudders when it hears the name of a an assasin so skillful and deadly, he is remembered decades later.
I may just make that a sig line.
 
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