[Jeff Johnson]

I hadn't thought about the one year thing. I went back to the Utah Talk Page at packing.org and found a thread that I'd participated in on the day that the church invoked the law. It was 26 January 2004. You're right!!

I look forward to seeing that notice coming off the BCI web site.

One question. Since the date of the notification is significant, it would be very helpful to see that notification date on the BCI page. Would BCI be willing to post that?

[EDIT (1-Dec-2008) - Updated the links in this post, since PDO is dead (now references a web archive site) -- Jeff]

 

[Jeff Johnson]

That's excellent news. When will BCI update the list on their web site accordingly?

 

[Jeff Johnson]

I haven't heard of any recent such church massacre in Wisconsin, but I know that the was a massacre such as you described many months ago. I believe that it was seven people murdered in a church.

People who think that they are automatically safe just because they're in a church are naive or just want to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the real world.

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Welcome to the forum, handyrandyrc !!!

You'd better read the whole thread before you draw any conclusions and make a mistake for which you can get into legal trouble.

On Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:51 am, Cinhil posted the following containing information he learned from Utah BCI:

Since I started this post, I felt I should check things out closer. Yes, there is a one year stipulation & each church must post every year in order to refuse us our God-Given rights to self defence.
I went to the source, BCI. I spoke with Nicole. She said that as of February 1st of this year (2005) the LDS Church sent them a letter & they had not updated it. So at this time it is "illegal" to carry in a LDS chapel.
While I was speaking with Nicole I asked that the site be changed to accomodate a date for the registration of each church that desires to do this.
Hopefully that will help us all. This way we don't have to guess, and one simple review of the sight can tell us if it is legal on any given day to carry in any given posted church.
I still say that if any church is going to do this, that they should provide lockers, or at least a secure storage place within its' facility to accommodate those of us who desire to protect self, family & others. Can something be done about this Clark? Afterall-by definition churches really don't fit the bill, according to statute, of a secure facility unless it is written into the law, or they provide lockers as legislated for secure facilities.
SORRY about the Bad News Guys!!!
I am even more apologetic to all those who rely upon public transportation, who must walk to church in bad neighborhoods because they have no car, or those who are epeleptic who cannot drive--all of whom have no way of protecting themselves to or from the church of their cchoice because of this stupid law. This of course means that all of us have the right to sue a church if in the lawful course of a days events, which may include church service, we are assaulted, mugged, or violated in any way. Why? Because by denying us our God-Given Right to self defense they have accepted responsibility for our safety. I have checked with my representatives on this and this is true by what thay have said. It is even true according to the 3rd District Court--They take FULL Reponsibility for our safety both to and from our homes in these instances!! I hope they realize this!

Please do not misinterpret a partial thread (indeed any threads here --- we're not lawyers) and get into legal trouble. The ban is still in effect in all LDS houses of worship. Check the BCI web site to verify this:

HOUSES OF WORSHIP PROHIBITING FIREARMS ON PREMISES
The following churches have notified BCI of their intent to prohibit firearms on their premises.

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
All "houses of worship" in Utah

The Church of the Sacred Circle
Anderson Commons
732 E 200 S
Salt Lake City, UT 84102

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Ah, but they can enforce it. When that question was posed, it wasn't clear that the church had actually renewed their ban, but now it is clear that they have.

Again, welcome to the forum, and welcome to exercising a very important civil right, even if it does take a permit to do so -- ah, to live in Alaska or Vermont. However, we do have it relatively good here in Utah.

Since you're new to the forum, you might want to check out the thread that provides some Handy links to Utah and Federal gun laws online.

 

[Jeff Johnson]

I think people should stop getting caught up in all these definitions & remember the fact that BCI says if the church has posted it, announced it or sent a letter stating that firearms aren't alllowed, then they aren't. period. I can't say whether you will lose your permit if caught but can't say if you won't either.

As to whether or not you will lose your permit, please see the following statute:

• U.C.A. 53-5-704. Division duties -- Permit to carry concealed firearm -- Certification for concealed firearms instructor -- Requirements for issuance -- Violation -- Denial, suspension, or revocation -- Appeal procedure[/*]

...
(b) The division may not deny, suspend, or revoke a concealed firearm permit solely for a single conviction for an infraction violation of Title 76, Chapter 10, Part 5, Weapons.
...

This prohibits BCI from suspending or revoking a CFP because of a single conviction of an infraction of weapons laws. However, this implies that BCI can indeed suspend or revoke a CFP on a second conviction for such an infraction.