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I am signing up for a concealed course this week (getting a BIG bonus from work). Since I am good friends with Dave and Mike Larsen, I will probably sign up with Doug's Shoot-n-Sports.

Anyone think I should try a different place than that? Doesn't Clark teach those courses? I will also likely buy a .45 ACP in the coming weeks. Will take the course with my Ruger P89.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
 

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If Mr. Tate is still teaching the class at “Doug’s” then you should go to that one. It is the best course in the area, I’ve been to 4 classes and Mr. Tate was the most informative, and the only instructor who could keep the class on subject. His class is a couple hours longer, and worth every minute worth.
 

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I can only speak for my class. In it you will recieve a flat out correct interpretation of Utah statues by someone who has worked, written and fought for or against them for the last 10 years.
We also have a very nice clean, well lighted and ventillated indoor shooting range with free ammo, guns , targets etc for all students.
You decide. by the by I am now the manager at Totally Awesome Guns and Range
Sincerely,
Clark Aposhian
801-967-8005
 

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This Saturday's class starts at 11am.
Mention this post and receive $25.00 off (that is a 33% discount).
Your cost for everything is $50.00
Clark
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Just left a message for you at the range, Clark.

What does 'everything' include? Is it just the course, gun, and ammo? Or do fingerprints and pictures come with that?

Thanks------Lance.
 

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Turns out 'everything' includes the paperwork along with photos and fingerprints (not to mention a gun and ammo to use during the course).

Very nice.

I have signed up to take the course on June 4 at Noon. This is really a milestone for me!

Thanks, Clark!!!
 

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I still sugest Mr Tates class. :lol:
 

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"I still sugest Mr Tates class"

What's your deal anyway? By your continued statements you seem to be trying to start some dialogue that would pit me against my friend Terry Tate. This is ill advised, as it will not work.
By the way, am I correct in reading that you took 4 CCW classes? Why take 4 classes? I'm just curious.

Great to have you on board Lance and you should know that I endorse and recommend Terry Tate's CCW classes over many of the other CCW classes offered. In addition Terry is a Hunter Education Instructor, which is a lot of work, and time for very little reimbursement for the same.

Clark Aposhian
 

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Leave town for a few days and all heck breaks loose....

My take on the issue--

There are few enough folks reading this site as it is. Do we really need to go after each other? Is this type of back and forth conducive to inviting more posters?

As far as I'm concerned, hats off to anybody educating folks responsibly about guns. Personal opinions, for whatever reason, about your teachers will always be there--just like middle school.

al
 

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In all of your vast and varied experiences, how long was the course you took?

4 hours seems to be the average.
 

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W. Clark Aposhian said:
"I still sugest Mr Tates class"

What's your deal anyway? By your continued statements you seem to be trying to start some dialogue that would pit me against my friend Terry Tate. This is ill advised, as it will not work.
By the way, am I correct in reading that you took 4 CCW classes? Why take 4 classes? I'm just curious.

Great to have you on board Lance and you should know that I endorse and recommend Terry Tate's CCW classes over many of the other CCW classes offered. In addition Terry is a Hunter Education Instructor, which is a lot of work, and time for very little reimbursement for the same.

Clark Aposhian
My “deal” or point is that Mr. Tate is the only instructor I’ve witnessed that left his ego at the door, and was the only one to keep the class on target (period). I’ve had occasion to talk with “TNT” a couple times where your name came up, so I have a good feel of your friendship with Mr. Tate.

1~ 08/03, Mr. Tate, class time; 4 hrs. at “Doug’s”. Purpose, to obtain CFP.

2~ 12/03 or 01/ 04 class time; 2.45 hrs. Unnamed instructor at unnamed Kearns gun shop. Sat in with ex-wives sister because she was afraid of “being hit on” by ‘creepy’ (her words) guys if she went alone. Instructor was kind enough to not charge me, and had some very good points on when to draw/shoot.

3~ Early 04, brother decided to take class at gun show. Class time was 35 min. at best, nothing but macho BS was thought. I refuse to give his name, he gives a bad name to ANYONE (intelligent) who is pro 2 A.

4~ 06/04 While moving friends daughter to Las Vegas, my friend took a UT non-res class that I sat in with. I had a choice of his wife and 4 kids w/2 grandkids, or sit in on a ccw class. M. landener (sp?) was the instructors’ name. .75 hours, I’d assume his NV res is a better class.

If UT requires state training, everyone should get the BEST possible. That’s just my silly way of thinking.
 

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Took the course with Clark on Saturday. Great course, Clark! Thanks for your time. I look forward to coming to the range often!

----Lance
 

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Ding Ding, everyone take a deep breath. Let me make a few points here. First of all I do not know Mr. Tate. I do however know Clark. I do not think there was a personal attack here but I want everyone to understand some things. I am a concealed Firearms Instructor so I have nothing to gain by promoting Clark. However, the truth must prevail.

Clark is the president of the Utah Self Defense Instructors Network. This organization and Clark independently have been a crucial part of protecting our rights to carry in this state. He has also helped to make it much easier to obtain the Concealed permit. He is also one of only two instructors here in the state I will recommend people go to. Steve Beckstead is the other instructor.

This does not mean they are the only good instructors in the state (other then me of course) :) it is just that they are the ones I personally know and respect. Once again I am not trying to criticize anyone else I am just stating some facts you should know.
 

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That's funny, Thomas.

I took the Hunter Safety course from Steve Beckstead.

I took the concealed course from Clark.

On the day I took the course from Clark, Stephen was in the store that Clark manages buying some stuff. I re-introduced myself to him.

Just a funny coincidence!!!
 
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