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Dell at our events?

  • NO!

    Votes: 14 31.8%
  • I'd prefer not

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Yes

    Votes: 13 29.5%
  • Dude's like totally awesome of course he should be there!

    Votes: 9 20.5%
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hedonistic said:
then there's super Dell hes skinny and always has that fanny pack.
Speaking of Dell Schanze, I saw this today. Whatever we may think of him personally, the press really dislikes him (and he IS pretty out there). I wonder whether or not it's a good thing that he likes showing up to our events. Nothing against him, personally, but I think the articles about the OCDO/UCC get-togethers have been very positive, and I'm afraid that if the press show up at one and find him present, the articles might go a very different direction. The image we want to present is "sane, stable, ordinary folks who take responsibility for their own safety" and I think that is NOT what the press would take from any event that includes Schanze.

Dunno what, if anything, we could/should do about it.

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Personally I dislike the man but I think the topic could use the attention.
 

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I'm on the fence about that one. Whether he was right or wrong in the case he was in, people all tend to think he was wrong.

Without knowing facts of course.
 

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Out of curiosity, how many UCC/OCDO events has Dell come to? I only know of one, the July BBQ. I saw him there ... for a few minutes, but he didn't stay very long as far as I could tell.

My opinion of Dell is that he's got and has maintained a fairly crazy public persona, starting with those rather irritating commercials for his computer businesses. Lately, he seems to be saying waaaay off the wall stuff. The public statements he utters make him look like a kook, such as the ones reported in that article. I don't think that that helps the image of gun-owners.

However, for all I know, he could be an active member of both UCC and of OCDO, but chooses to remain anonymous. No wonder. Unkind comments have been made here about him in the past. I admit that my comments above aren't complimentary.

He was acquitted in that trial.

Incidentally, whether or not people vote in this poll, it is not UCC forum policy to try to limit who will attend forum events. Our invitations for forum-wide get-togethers are open to everybody.
 

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He was acquitted but it seems that folks will always hold it against him. I voted to let him come. I have read on this forum about the good book, from Mormons and none Mormons alike. So where is the forgiveness that is been taught and preached. No matter what, the press is not pro gun. Yes we need the press but at what cost. The press may not like are UCC ball caps, so we are not allowed to wear them, or the way someone may look with tattoos are anything else. So we start banning these people because the press may show up. Maybe in 60 years I have mellowed out, or have to grow up in farm labor camps out in Cali, but I do not judge until I am massed over by some one. Lets live by what we post on this site, take a look at should felonies be allowed to have guns and see what some of you have said. Just my .02 cents.
 

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Those are some valid points rdogg.

Most of the media thinks we are kooks anyway. I don't see having Dell around being an issue as long as he is polite and carries himself professionally at UCC events.
 

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I'm on the fence about that one. Whether he was right or wrong in the case he was in, people all tend to think he was wrong.

Without knowing facts of course.
He was 100% Aquitted.

I have talked to Clark about the "Situation" he was in and the event was 2 different stages and from the info i got from Clark. Dell was 100% in the right. Remember that the Press ONLY wants you to hear what THEY want you to hear.

Mitch is in the middle of writting a book about the case and ALL details will be shared.

TJ
 

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I think Dell is awesome, personally. Yeah he can definitely sound a bit nuts, but I know where he is coming from.

In my opinion he was a victim of the prosecutorial misconduct. He was threatened by 3 men larger than himself with a large rock. He was with his daughter. He exercised his right to protect himself, his daughter and his property. From my understanding he merely unholstered the weapon and let them know he was armed. Meanwhile the gun rested by his hip never pointing at anything but the ground. That diffused the situation immediately (which I might add is the very reason every single person in this forum carries, to avoid conflict).

He should have been given a medal not lose his entire livelyhood. The media has been overbearing at times because it makes a good story. I don't think they had anything personally against him like he believes, but they did exploit him and his business which led to the failure of it.

That said Dell has his issues. As do we all.

He will be getting my vote this November despite his flaws. It will only be ceremonial since he has not chance of winning. He however was right about one thing, the Governor is a socialist. He should have just left out the anti-christ part. But most of Utah supports the Governor and most republicans do. I can't blame them for being idiots. They get what they deserve.

As for being afraid that the media might visit a get together and see Dell and make everyone that carries sound like a nut, you won't have to worry about that even if Dell comes. There no doubt will be someone else there that they will speak to that will allow them to paint their picture that gun owners are hicks, irresponsible and crazy. If not creative editing will be able to fix that.
 

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I will NOT participate in this poll...

I don't know Dell personally.
I have a Brother-in-Law who does speak in a supportive manner of Dell.
I have purchased a computer from one of his stores and I was happy with the after purchase support and the computer except I never could get rid of the "Total Awesome" splash screen on bootup.
I have seen him in person one time in my life and this was at my very first ucc/ocdo meet and greet in July.

In short... I don't know the man!

and in even shorter short... to even make a poll like this---I FIND OFFENSIVE!

If Dell CHOOSES to participate with this group, I would hope that he is greeted in the same manor that I was greeted...
Specifically, I was asked to introduce myself. NO ONE asked me what my motives were for participation in the group.

I may be naive but I assume that we all wish to participate with those with whom we share a common goal, interest, or desire.
 

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I voted "NO!".

But after reading several people here post supportive comments and arguments, I am slightly persuaded. I guess, in the end, I would decide to stay at an event (if he showed up) based on how he conducted himself while there. Apparently he was just fine at the last one (I was not even aware he was there) -- and so if that's how future events unfold, then I'll be just fine with that; otherwise, I will leave.
 
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In my opinion he was a victim of the prosecutorial misconduct. He was threatened by 3 men larger than himself with a large rock. He was with his daughter. He exercised his right to protect himself, his daughter and his property. From my understanding he merely unholstered the weapon and let them know he was armed. Meanwhile the gun rested by his hip never pointing at anything but the ground. That diffused the situation immediately (which I might add is the very reason every single person in this forum carries, to avoid conflict).He should have been given a medal not lose his entire livelyhood. The media has been overbearing at times because it makes a good story. I don't think they had anything personally against him like he believes, but they did exploit him and his business which led to the failure of it.
I dont want him doing 70 through my neighborhood but if I pile in a truck with buddies driving 90 and threaten him with a rock :dunno: am I not worse shouldn't? I be charged with a crime too? The media and justice system never over blow, sensationalize, or selectively enforce justice, (pewee Herman) I cant belive you could think such a thing!

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That said Dell has his issues. As do we all.
Yes my borderline Narcissistic personalty disorder causes me to call people the Antichrist, fly hang gliders in traffic, drive too fast, and be an attention whore too. No wait it docent that's right I just have some PTSD and brain damage. :nilly: I take crazy pills too!

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He will be getting my vote this November despite his flaws. It will only be ceremonial since he has not chance of winning. He however was right about one thing, the Governor is a socialist.
Well we all think that. That's like calling grass green, the sky blue, Rosie O'Donnell fat :ROFL:

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visit a get together and see Dell and make everyone that carries sound like a nut, you won't have to worry about that even if Dell comes. There no doubt will be someone else there that they will speak to that will allow them to paint their picture that gun owners are hicks, irresponsible and crazy. If not creative editing will be able to fix that.
We have had some fair coverage and been cast in a good light recently by the local media. Nationally .............. not so much

JoeSparky said:
I will NOT participate in this poll...
Thanks for participating in the discussion.

JoeSparky said:
and in even shorter short... to even make a poll like this---I FIND OFFENSIVE!
I am little offensive, I make no apologies for it. If I find something disgusting or offensive I say so, I am glad you can do the same.
That said this poll is a form of free speech while I respect that right it also gives me the right to say that the content of Jeremiah Wright's speeches is racist, ignorant, wrong, and not a shinning example of the Christian faith. Make yourself an idiot in public be a target of the public (J.W. not you.)

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If Dell CHOOSES to participate with this group, I would hope that he is greeted in the same manor that I was greeted...
Specifically, I was asked to introduce myself. NO ONE asked me what my motives were for participation in the group.
I agree, but, should he make another word for donkey out of himself in public wearing one of Dave's new forum shirts or jump in front of cameras to represent us at an event then he should become unwelcome.

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I may be naive but I assume that we all wish to participate with those with whom we share a common goal, interest, or desire.
If we do all share a common goal, interest, or desire neither, Dell or I should be the spokes person. I nominate Jeff and or Dave :D
 

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hedonistic said:
I agree, but, should he make an other word for donkey out of himself in public wearing one of Dave's new forum shirts or jump in front of cameras to represent us at an event then he should become unwelcome.
My feelings exactly. If he can "play the game" at any events he chooses to show up to (or while wearing a UCC logo'd hat/shirt), then there should be no reason to reject him from the community... OTOH, if he brings shame to us in the public's eye, he brings condemnation upon himself.
 

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The few times I met him, he seemed abrasive and mildly annoying, but that was expected since I was managing a store that he was competing with, so I'll not let those tainted encounters form my opinion of him personally.

I would welcome the man at our events. But even if he were the most superlative orator alive I don't think he'd make a good spokesperson for the group because of the media disdain for him. I would nominate Jeff, Swilden, Bane, Dave or Thomas for that job.

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We all have to remember there are 2 Super Dell's. The one we all know from the press and his ads, which is probably not the real Dell. Remember in marketing many people believe, all press is good press. You market yourself in whatever way you can to help your business, of which Dell seemed to be pretty darn good at.
Then there is the real Dell of which nobody here seems to know personally. So how can we reject someone we don't even know? The Dell that we think we know from the press is probably not the real Dell in any way. Let him come and participate. I can't think of any reason to not let him be involved, unless you want to believe what the press would have us think about the man....and if thats what you want to belive you are an ignorant fool. Get to know someone personally before you pass judgement. I think he could be a great strength and draw a bunch of attention.
 
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PW said:
We all have to remember there are 2 Super Dell's. The one we all know from the press and his ads, which is probably not the real Dell. Remember in marketing many people believe, all press is good press. You market yourself in whatever way you can to help your business, of which Dell seemed to be pretty darn good at.
Then there is the real Dell of which nobody here seems to know personally. So how can we reject someone we don't even know? The Dell that we think we know from the press is probably not the real Dell in any way. Let him come and participate. I can't think of any reason to not let him be involved, unless you want to believe what the press would have us think about the man....and if thats what you want to belive you are an ignorant fool. Get to know someone personally before you pass judgement. I think he could be a great strength and draw a bunch of attention.
I have more than the press on which to base my opinion, or more accurately prejudice. If you think that I form any opinions solely upon what the press tells me, you are far more of a fool than I.
 

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By saying he shouldn't be allowed to join in meets is exactly like someone saying that we shouldn't be allowed to go somewhere because we carry guns.
 

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Ramiguy said:
By saying he shouldn't be allowed to join in meets is exactly like someone saying that we shouldn't be allowed to go somewhere because we carry guns.
On the other hand though, people are reprimanded or banned from this forum on occasion for acting stupidly, being a jerk and confrontational. There's no question that Dale at the minimum meets 2 of those criteria.

I vote no.
 
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Ramiguy said:
By saying he shouldn't be allowed to join in meets is exactly like someone saying that we shouldn't be allowed to go somewhere because we carry guns.
On the other hand though, people are reprimanded or banned from this forum on occasion for acting stupidly, being a jerk and confrontational. There's no question that Dale at the minimum meets 2 of those criteria.

I vote no.
:agree: I just hope that his first opportunity to validate my concerns is not shameful and very public while being progun.

Perhaps my experiences have given me a pessimistic proclivity to be prejudiced towards those I believe to be mentally unstable attention whores but, in this case I hope to be proven wrong.

(that was verbose alliteration)
 

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Sarge and I missed him at the last meet? We had no idea he was there. He is an awesome guy! Don't believe everything you see or hear from the press. Sarge and I are going to vote for him for governor. I will say don't judge a book by the cover. He really is a great guy. I hope to see more of him at our meets!
 
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