[Jeff Johnson]

Panel to scrutinize nonresident concealed-carry
By Lisa Riley Roche
Deseret Morning News
Published: Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2007 12:30 a.m. MDT

A legislative committee agreed Tuesday to take another look at how the state handles requests for concealed-weapons permits from outside Utah, including foreign countries.

The state Department of Public Safety already stopped issuing permits to non-U.S. residents earlier this year, citing difficulties in conducting the required criminal background checks on foreign applicants.

At Tuesday's Administrative Rules Review Committee meeting, department officials questioned whether permits should be issued to anyone living outside Utah, even U.S. residents.
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I don't like the sound of this. We need to fight this vigorously!

 

[bane]

Forgive me for being naive, and I am certainly not proclaiming to have any answers or really even an opinion on this issue. But personally I have always thought it was wierd that Utah issues permits to non-Residents and don't understand the argument for why we should be issuing to non-Residents. I haven't ever even heard reasons for it. I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.

 

[T-Man]

I was a UT resident when I applied for my permit, but had to call while it was in process to give BCI my out-of-state address. The reason UT permits are so popular with non-residents is it is the most (I think) widely accepted by other states. It is valid in more places than a Montana permit, which I plan to get once I fulfill residency requirements here. MT permit requires proof of training, but not as specific as UT CFP class. A DD214 will suffice as training here. My thinking of the matter is, if someone can take the required class, and pass an FBI background check, why should it matter if that person lives in or out of Utah? Maybe they travel to Utah often and live in a state whose permit isn't valid in Utah, or a state that doesn't issue permits at all. That shouldn't preclude them from obtaining a permit to carry while traveling.

Of course, all this BS would not be an issue if Congress would pass a national CFP law. But you know Congress....

 

[Jeff Johnson]

...Maybe they travel to Utah often and live in a state whose permit isn't valid in Utah, or a state that doesn't issue permits at all. That shouldn't preclude them from obtaining a permit to carry while traveling.
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Minor correction here. There are no states in the U.S. whose permits are not recognized by Utah, since Utah specifically recognizes concealed carry permits from all other states.

I do believe that there are a significant number of people who live in states that are not shall-issue states who get the Utah CFP to be able to travel armed in those states that recognize the Utah CFP.

Also, since the Utah CFP is the most widely recognized permit, meaning by the highest number of states in the Union, many people get it for that reason.

I believe that both of these things are compelling reasons to continue to grant Utah CFPs to out-of-state people who fulfill the requirements. It helps the overall cause of the concealed-carry revolution that started in Florida about 10 or 15 years ago.

 

[Shaolin]

T-Man,

A DD214? Just being in the Military get's you a permit? Does Utah also have this one. I also had a TS in the Military, LOL

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Nope. Doesn't count in Utah. You have to take an approved course from an approved Utah CFP instructor. We have many instructors as members in our forum. Check out the Training Center.

You also have to fill out the application and comply with all the requirements. You can get the application at the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification (BCI) web site. It lists all the requirements.

 

[xmirage2kx]

My thought is you shouldn't need a permit in the first place. You commit a crime using a firearm you get charged with it. You commit a crime not allowing you to carry a firearm and you have one, you get charged with it. Possession of a firearm by a law abiding citizen should not be a crime PERIOD.

Since Utah’s permit is the most accepted it is much easier to get 1 Utah permit than 32 permits from other states.

 

[Hunter]

My thought is you shouldn't need a permit in the first place. You commit a crime using a firearm you get charged with it. You commit a crime not allowing you to carry a firearm and you have one, you get charged with it. Possession of a firearm by a law abiding citizen should not be a crime PERIOD.

Since Utah’s permit is the most accepted it is much easier to get 1 Utah permit than 32 permits from other states.

I couldn't agree more!

 

[Jeff Johnson]

I'd very much like to see Utah go the Alaska way. About four or so years ago, they changed their law to allow CC without a permit, although they retained their shall-issue permit system to provide a way for Alaskans to travel to other states with their firearms due to reciprocity/recognition.

 

[xmirage2kx]

I'd very much like to see Utah go the Alaska way. About four or so years ago, they changed their law to allow CC without a permit, although they retained their shall-issue permit system to provide a way for Alaskans to travel to other states with their firearms due to reciprocity/recognition.

That would be great, but I won't hold my breath