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So, I know this was a recent topic, but it kinda turned into a law debate.

I have tickets to go to the Glenn Beck Christmas Concert, and I am just wanting to verify that I can carry to the Ecenter. (Of all concerts, I think Glenn Beck should be one that allows concealed carry, since he is a suporter of the 2nd amendment)

So they do not have metal detectors or wands, is that correct?
I just want to be sure!

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There are no wands or metal detectors in use. Just employees checking bags for recording devices, although phones do the same thing now a days--but those aren't taken, or sent away.
You should be just fine carrying. I was not stopped or searched when I carried there last month. I also looked for, but saw no "no weapons" signs.
 

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Great, I know folks in the past have mentioned using deep concealment when going there, but I plan to just carry in my usual strong side holster, so I wanted to verify that all would be well.

Thanks for the confirmation.
 

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I go to hockey games often at the E center and I carry ALL the time. CC of course. Its West Valley for crying out loud. Of Course I carry.... I grew up there.... ha ha ha
 

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I will be there at the same event. I will also be carrying concealed of course. I am sure there will not be any problems with it.

Not to mention with a crowd of Glenn Beck fans God help the person who tries to pull a gun on someone there. :)
 

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Thomas said:
I will be there at the same event. I will also be carrying concealed of course. I am sure there will not be any problems with it.
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My wife and I are going too. We should all open carry.
 

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hamm said:
We should all open carry.
While I admire all of your enthusiasm for carrying, I don't think Glenn Beck will have anything to do with it. He doesn't own the E-Center and probably can't do anything about what the E-Center does to those who carry. I'll bet the same rules and regs will be in place for his concert as any other.

From the posts above, it sounds like you can carry, but open carrying might be pushing the envelope. Just because Glenn Beck supports the 2nd ammendment, don't expect the same from the E-Center.
 
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I would suggest against the open carry idea. According to E-Center guest policy all weapons are prohibited. Carrying concealed into the center would be a violation which could result in loss of your permit.
 

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juandiablo said:
I would suggest against the open carry idea. According to E-Center guest policy all weapons are prohibited. Carrying concealed into the center would be a violation which could result in loss of your permit.
I doubt you'd have your permit revoked unless perhaps you refused to leave when asked... which, I maintain, is highly defensible in court, but that would be a long expensive fight for sure.
 

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juandiablo said:
I would suggest against the open carry idea. According to E-Center guest policy all weapons are prohibited. Carrying concealed into the center would be a violation which could result in loss of your permit.
Juan, I am sorry, but you are misinformed.

Two scenarios. One, you open carry, you are spotted by security and they ask you to leave - you leave and miss the show. Two, you carry concealed and nobody notices and you enjoy the show - or by some freak accident you are made and asked to leave, you leave and miss the show.

Neither scenario results in you losing your permit - E Center has a policy, that's right a policy, not a law, against weapons. They are allowed to ask you to leave the premises, not arrest you or charge you - unless you refuse to leave which constitutes trespassing. Even if you were charged with trespassing - I doubt that charge would result in a loss of permit because it is not a weapons charge or felony.

Of course, I would leave if they asked, it's their property, but personally as far as carrying goes, my safety is more important to me than a policy by an events center.
 
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You're right in that it would be mere tresspassing. However, I know personally that the Management of the E-Center is very aggressive in matters of thier "policies" and would most likely file a formal complaint to the CCW review board on your behalf after having filed said tresspassing charges.
I would like to reiterate my point against Open Carry to the E-Center. Perhaps Mr. Beck should be informed of his selection of unfriendly venues and the E-Center should be added to the boycott thread.
 

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juandiablo said:
You're right in that it would be mere tresspassing. However, I know personally that the Management of the E-Center is very aggressive in matters of thier "policies" and would most likely file a formal complaint to the CCW review board on your behalf after having filed said tresspassing charges.
I would like to reiterate my point against Open Carry to the E-Center. Perhaps Mr. Beck should be informed of his selection of unfriendly venues and the E-Center should be added to the boycott thread.
I understand what you are saying and agree wholeheartedly. There's only one thing that I would like to point out. You are under no obligation to disclose your identity to the E-Center. You can leave when asked and not give them identification - there's no way they can report you to the Utah BCI unless you tell them who you are.
 

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Even if they did report you to BCI, that will basically have set you up perfectly for a Civil suit where you have pretty decent grounds that they are denying you your civil rights... regardless of the fact that a piece of property is technically "private", there is plenty of legislation and legal precedent across the country that shows that opening private property to general public use renders that property, in many ways, public.

Of course, you'd have to be prepared to spend a good deal of money... but I bet there are some heavy-weights that might be interested in backing such a suit that developed with the right factors.
 

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Juan ... First of all, what law would be violated by carrying to the E-Center? Please cite the law reference. You won't be able to find it because there is no such law in the Utah statutes. If you are made and refuse to leave when asked, they can try to make a case for trespassing.

Second, please follow the rules of our forum and introduce yourself properly in the Introduce Yourself forum.
 
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