[eddified]

In New Orleans after hurricane Katrina hit, Law Enforcement Offices and/or National Guard Infantry went door to door confiscating legally owned guns. What's worse, they were to facilitate a FORCED evacuation--driving people from their homes.

What if something like this were to happen in Utah? What could I do keep my guns? When asked if I have weapons, all I can think of is to plead the fifth: "Officer, I don't have anything to say to you until I speak with a lawyer." Not sure that would even help.

Ideas?

 

[caldweller]

Tom Gresham was actually discussing that very issue last week on Guntalk (Sundays 12:00-3:00pm 570 AM). We have all heard the famous Heston quote "From my cold dead hands". Someone was asking him what he would do if law enforcement tried to take his gun away in an emergency like happened in Lousiana. He said he felt that putting up a fight and using deadly force against the officers was probably going to far. Then he explained that is why you need at least 2 personal defense weapons kept in seperate locations. If forced to give one up you can comply (not necessarily with a smile :x) and still be armed.

 

[MarshallDodge]

They will not be taking any of my guns.

That's all I will say. :|

 

[ian husford]

Did the Utah legislature pass a law that forbids this in Utah? I think it was even called the Katrina Law.

ian

 

[GeneticsDave]

Yes, recent legislation forbids the Katrina style confiscation here in Utah. Stick around and you should be fine.

 

[Guest]

Yes, recent legislation forbids the Katrina style confiscation here in Utah. Stick around and you should be fine.

Dave speaks the truth. VIVA LA LUCID LEGISLATURE!

 

[mchlwise]

VIVA LA LUCID LEGISLATURE!

:dancing:

I didn't know that.

My plan was: "Gun, what gun officer? I sold that to some guy from West Valley months ago. Don't have his address or anything. Sorry."

:dunno:

 

[rdoggsilva]

But it is still good to have a few in back up, just in case. :crown:

 

[Ty]

Cop knocks on my door telling me to hand over my guns and they will get my good ol rusty helwan 9mm that bites me and jams every other round. I'd be happy to give that thing away.

 

[eddified]

Well, I considered lying, but lying to a cop can get you in big trouble....

As for the state law against gun grabbing, not sure that will even hold water during "Martial law" like was supposedly declared in New Orleans.

 

[divegeek]

As for the state law against gun grabbing, not sure that will even hold water during "Martial law" like was supposedly declared in New Orleans.

Maybe not, but it includes some serious penalties to be levied against the perpetrators afterwards, and it shelters any officer who refuses to go along.

 

[Bflamante]

Here is the text to the bill:

63-5a-12. Prohibition of restrictions on and confiscation of a firearm or
35 ammunition during an emergency.
This bill:
15 - provides that during a declared state of emergency or local emergency neither the
16 governor nor an agency of a governmental entity or political subdivision may impose
17 restrictions on the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transport, storage, display, or use
18 of a firearm or ammunition;
19 - provides that during a declared state of emergency an individual, while acting or
20 purporting to act on behalf of the state or a political subdivision, may not confiscate
21 a privately owned firearm of another individual;
22 - provides exceptions to the confiscation prohibition; and
23 - provides a civil remedy for violation of the confiscation prohibition.

The bill location is here http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/sbillenr/sb0157.htm

 

[L'attente]

What about the UN?

I know I'm going slightly off topic here, but doesn't the UN have some sort of power to claim land and other things? Granted I might have picked up that info from Alex Jones, but Id like some clarifications.

But it raises the question of why Laverkin (sp?) specifically ruled the UN had no authority over their town.

Anyone know?

 

[Guest]

If the UN sends anybody into this country and starts demanding our weapons, I'm going to have to side with the 300 Spartans on this one.

"Come and take them."

And this will be the day that all those insane childhood "chemistry experiments" will come to fruition in one, glorious, immolation.

And it would be legal.

Because the United Nations doesn't have any authority here. They have to obey Utah's laws and Utah's laws are, quite frankly, not friendly to things like theft and threats of kidnapping/murder -- which is all the UN could possibly do.

"Give us your guns!"

"This is robbery."

"It's for peace."

"Robbery for peace. Sounds like a great plan. You probably want my pipe bomb collection, too. I'll toss 'em out my window atchya." *Whips out the zippo and starts lighting fuses*

(Disclaimer: I am not promoting the construction of what the BATFE calls "destructive devices" because that would be very wrong and most likely get you raped to death by a federal agent)

 

[Paul]

The "Katrina Law" is a good step in the right direction. However, we have already established that criminals don't follow the law. Simply having the Katrina Law won't prevent cops from confiscating guns. Bad cops still may try. I agree with the other comments about not keeping all your eggs in the same basket so to speak. Hand over some old piece of crap gun. I like the idea of pleading the 5th. Don't talk to the cops. Video tape, pictures and voice recorder are really all you can do if FEMA or anyone else tries to take your guns. Fighting back probably wouldn't be the best idea IMO. Document what is going on, don't say 1 word to them, and hope for the best.

 

[Paul]

Oh yeah. And when the dust settles, sue the living crap out of everybody involved. Remember the law is on our side now!

 

[Guest]

I just got done reading some material listing how utterly pathetic FEMA's response was to Katrina and how the local volunteers and insurance did a better job of setting up communications infrastructure and relief efforts.

You know that when your system is upstaged by INSURANCE COMPANIES, which are paid for and profit from doing nothing, that you totally suck at what you do.

FEMA is the anti-security.

 

[Ty]

So when it comes to stashing things is cosmoline to old school? I've got some pvc pipe that could say hold a riffle and about 2500 rounds. Just wondering.

 

[Guest]

So when it comes to stashing things is cosmoline to old school? I've got some pvc pipe that could say hold a riffle and about 2500 rounds. Just wondering.

Cosmoline works, that's for sure.

 

[MarshallDodge]

So when it comes to stashing things is cosmoline to old school? I've got some pvc pipe that could say hold a riffle and about 2500 rounds. Just wondering.

You know what they say...."when it's time to bury them, then it's time to dig em' up." :wink: