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Well after getting my CFP today went shopping at Wal-Mart. Had to go shopping and remembered going there, was a right of passage. So the wife and I went and walked around, did our shopping, and came home. Was a little concerned if I was printing, kept asking the wife. She finally said no and don't ask again. I guess no one saw or if they did didn't care. I just have to get use to wearing it all the time.
 

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HAHA...Yeah I think thats an average reaction. I think I probably checked my gun a hundred times throughout the time I first cc'd. Honestly people are not looking. I learned that the first time I open carried. I only had one person notice the whole day. People are just not looking for it. Big congrats!!!!
 

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CONGRATS! :party:

I'm guessing before long you'll be like me: other than work and school, I really don't care too much if I get made. I'd prefer I didn't, but I don't sweat it either...

BTW, does YOUR Wally's have nachos???
 

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We went to to one at 50th south and 9th east. Bummer no nachos, :lol2: but had lunch at the golden arches. Yes I did buy ammo :D I was carrying my 1911, that was why I kept asking, the boss about showing.
 

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Good for you. Now OC, lol I will probably OC at Sportsman's Warehouse and Smith's today.
 

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rdoggsilva said:
Well after getting my CFP today went shopping at Wal-Mart. Had to go shopping and remembered going there, was a right of passage. So the wife and I went and walked around, did our shopping, and came home. Was a little concerned if I was printing, kept asking the wife. She finally said no and don't ask again. I guess no one saw or if they did didn't care. I just have to get use to wearing it all the time.
Don't worry about "printing" nobody cares or even notices.

Congrats :cheers:

TJ
 

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Congratulations, the first time is where you're most self-conscious, after a while you'll even sometimes forget you're carrying. Wal-Mart's a fun place to go for the first time, so many eyes looking your way! When my wife now goes there I tag along and try to spot everyone else that's carrying, you'd be surprised how many there are! :popcorn:
 

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Don't worry about "printing" nobody cares or even notices.
I took my CFP class last weekend and have sent in my application (now the dreaded wait that you all have mentioned). Looking forward to getting my permit and CC'ing the first time. Now to the point... during the class, the instructor said "if you print, you are not concealed carrying." I realize that since I have the permit, and OC'ing is legal, it wouldn't matter either way. But his emphasis was to frown on OC'ing due to the potential for a BG to target an OC'er first. For all intents and purposes, printing is as bad as OC'ing (according to instructor). Thoughts, anyone?
 

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during the class, the instructor said "if you print, you are not concealed carrying." ...But his emphasis was to frown on OC'ing due to the potential for a BG to target an OC'er first. For all intents and purposes, printing is as bad as OC'ing (according to instructor). Thoughts, anyone?
Where did you take your course and what was the instructor's name?

People are entitled to their opinion, but they must be correct in their statements. Whether the instructor takes the time to lay out the pros and cons of CC versus OC is not dire in my opinion. I think it would be responsible to state that concealing your firearm is not necessary in the State of Utah, but due to the fact that many people do not understand the laws, you may get into trouble.

For him to state that printing is as bad as OCing implies that both are negative, which is just incorrect. If your goal is to keep your carry status secret from everyone, then sure, he is correct. But just because you are getting your concealed carry permit does not automatically mean that "concealed carry" is your primary reason for doing so. Perhaps you want to travel with a firearm, eliminate the Brady Fee, be able to OC with a fully loaded firearm or just carry on campus.

It seems to me that some instructors out there may be doing some harm when they preach their opinions as fact. While this is fine at the dinner table or at cocktail parties, it should not be done in an official instructor role when molding new students.

I, as well as many here, would be happy to inform this instructor and ask them a few questions to elicit reasons for certain statements. Finally, it's always appropriate to hand out UCC cards to people and have them join up here. This resource is far better than what you can garner in 4 hours at a CC class.

Thanks for posting your experience.
 

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My first hour on this web site was far more useful than the 2 day (16hr) class I took to get my permit/armed guard license. I left my class with the understanding that carrying a gun would result in jail time even with a permit and even bumping my concealed gun with my arm was illegal unless I was in a life or death struggle. :shocked:

I got online to find out how likely I was to be arrested or fined if I bent over and exposed my gun or something and found my instructor was full of :spam:
 

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JP said:
Don't worry about "printing" nobody cares or even notices.
I took my CFP class last weekend and have sent in my application (now the dreaded wait that you all have mentioned). Looking forward to getting my permit and CC'ing the first time. Now to the point... during the class, the instructor said "if you print, you are not concealed carrying." I realize that since I have the permit, and OC'ing is legal, it wouldn't matter either way. But his emphasis was to frown on OC'ing due to the potential for a BG to target an OC'er first. For all intents and purposes, printing is as bad as OC'ing (according to instructor). Thoughts, anyone?
Leaving out the gun-grabbers and sheep from the discussion, it seems to me that the debate over the desirability of open carry vs. concealed carry will still rage. Many pro-gun people feel that open carry is undesirable because of the loss of the element of surprise, while others believe that it is valuable to open carry because it will educate the general public. I can see both sides of that argument, but tend to agree with educating the general public to desensitize them. That's why I sometimes open carry, though not all the time.
 

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JP said:
Don't worry about "printing" nobody cares or even notices.
I took my CFP class last weekend and have sent in my application (now the dreaded wait that you all have mentioned). Looking forward to getting my permit and CC'ing the first time. Now to the point... during the class, the instructor said "if you print, you are not concealed carrying." I realize that since I have the permit, and OC'ing is legal, it wouldn't matter either way. But his emphasis was to frown on OC'ing due to the potential for a BG to target an OC'er first. For all intents and purposes, printing is as bad as OC'ing (according to instructor). Thoughts, anyone?
Leaving out the gun-grabbers and sheep from the discussion, it seems to me that the debate over the desirability of open carry vs. concealed carry will still rage. Many pro-gun people feel that open carry is undesirable because of the loss of the element of surprise, while others believe that it is valuable to open carry because it will educate the general public. I can see both sides of that argument, but tend to agree with educating the general public to desensitize them. That's why I sometimes open carry, though not all the time.
I worry about the possible unintended consequences, namely the mobilization of a group of voters with the capability of enacting laws to further restrict the right to open carry. That is why I favor a more moderate approach to the issue, and why I cringe every time I read about those who seem to have an 'in your face' attitude that seem to seek confrontation for the sake of the confrontation. We know where good intentions lead to... just look at the disaster that HB473 almost turned out to be.

I don't want to seem embarrassed about my rights at all, but I don't want to hand them in and do the work of the antis either.
 

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I worry about the possible unintended consequences, namely the mobilization of a group of voters with the capability of enacting laws to further restrict the right to open carry. That is why I favor a more moderate approach to the issue, and why I cringe every time I read about those who seem to have an 'in your face' attitude that seem to seek confrontation for the sake of the confrontation.
While I agree that an "in your face" attitude brings nothing but negative opinions to the OC cause, people do need to know that OC is legal (many people are very misinformed). People (especially retailers) need to know that we will not permit the trampling of rights in any form, and if they choose to restrict rights, we will refuse patronage.

I do think that your worry "about the possible unintended consequences, namely the mobilization of a group of voters with the capability of enacting laws to further restrict the right to open carry" is naive, but I understand that people worry about a great many things. Exercise your rights as you see fit and allow others the same privilege.

There are many of us who choose to use our rights to make a statement, mainly "good guys carry guns, and so can you". We feel that more guns in the right hands = less crime and less suffering. We sometimes also feel that concealment only benefits us and not necessarily our cause. While CC still has it's place, I personally believe that OC gives us many more opportunities to further our cause, not giving fodder to the antis. If done properly, OC should stimulate thoughtful discussion and education and should never be done in an "in your face" manner.
 

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I believe that open carrying, in and of itself, is not "in your face".
However, it depends on the deportment and attitude of the person carrying.

If you're well-groomed, well-behaved and polite, then it is a positive thing.

If you're belligerent and rude, then it's another matter entirely.
 

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Thread hijack, sorry.

Where did you take your course and what was the instructor's name?... For him to state that printing is as bad as OCing implies that both are negative, which is just incorrect.
I took my class at the gun show, Saturday morning session. Mr. Curtis Spain was the instructor and I believe he did a good job. And just for clarity, he didn't flat out "state" that printing was as bad as OCing, he implied it. That's why I mentioned it here, to see what the general consensus was at UCC.

I haven't been on this forum very long, but I will admit that I learned much more on this forum than I learned in class. I bought Mitch Vilos' book and read it (I learned about this book here at UCC); I was more informed and familiar with information presented during class; and I now have a greater understanding of OC and CC'ing. If I was the state of Utah, I would require all CFP applicants to spend a couple hours on this site instead of taking a class. :eek:
 

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Interesting, I took my course from Mr. Spain. What did he say about open carry? Did he discourage it? Did he say it was illegal? I will talk to him if he is misinformed.
 

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rdoggsilva said:
Well after getting my CFP today went shopping at Wal-Mart. Had to go shopping and remembered going there, was a right of passage. So the wife and I went and walked around, did our shopping, and came home. Was a little concerned if I was printing, kept asking the wife. She finally said no and don't ask again. I guess no one saw or if they did didn't care. I just have to get use to wearing it all the time.
You know your goona bulge, but people carry so much junk on their belts these days no one will really notice it as more then a bulge.

You bend over or something and it's obvious someone might make you but.....who cares? Your not brandishing and your legally carrying your firearm.

Question, what sort of rig were you using and were you carrying Israeli style or "round chambered" safety on? Condition two I believe it's called.
 

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Israel carry, In Utah we call this UNLOADED. Why would you want an unloaded gun? :dunno:
 
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