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Flew to Oregon last week. They have some interesting gun laws there, but my favorite is you can OC a loaded handgun without a permit (got to be careful because cities can ban this). The flight to Oregon was uneventful, but the flight back caused some headaches. The lady at the counter was unfamiliar with flying with a gun, but a quick call to a manager fixed the problem. Overall a good experience.
 

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xmirage2kx said:
They have some interesting gun laws there, but my favorite is you can OC a loaded handgun without a permit (got to be careful because cities can ban this).
Oh yeah forgot about that! Im originally from Oregon before Utah. Where did you fly into, PDX?
 

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Yep
 

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xmirage2kx said:
Flew to Oregon last week........
I have one question.

Did your arms get tired? :shock:

Tarzan :D
 

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Tarzan1888 said:
xmirage2kx said:
Flew to Oregon last week........
I have one question.

Did your arms get tired? :shock:

Tarzan :D
Yes, Very. I had to carry a baby, my carry on, AND my two 50lb bags 8)
 

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xmirage2kx said:
Tarzan1888 said:
xmirage2kx said:
Flew to Oregon last week........
I have one question.

Did your arms get tired? :shock:

Tarzan :D
Yes, Very. I had to carry a baby, my carry on, AND my two 50lb bags 8)






Tarzan
 

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ibsavd4him said:
what are the rules about flying with a firearm
Pack your ammunition, if any, in original boxes. Unload the firearm and put it in a locked, hard-sided case. You can put the ammo in the same case. Don't use a TSA-approved lock -- they won't be opening this one without your assistance. When you check in at the airport, tell the agent that you need to declare a firearm in your checked baggage (you can't take gun or ammo in carry-on, obviously). The agent will have you fill out a form, then take your luggage to the TSA luggage inspection area. Normally you just drop your bags here and go, but if you have a gun you need to wait for a TSA official to help you. The official will have you open the locked case and will inspect the firearm to make sure it's unloaded and the ammunition to make sure it's securely boxed.

That's it. Only takes a few extra minutes.

Be careful about the regulations of the state you're flying to, however. Even though federal law provides permission for transport through any state, for any lawful purpose, some gun-grabbing states may hassle you. A couple of people have been arrested in Newark and held for 2-3 days, in spite of the fact they were doing nothing wrong.
 

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ibsavd4him,

Trust me when I say this: it really behooves you to do your own research on these issues. The reason is that if someone else tells you the rules and it turns out to be wrong , you can't go back and say "well, so-and-so told me I was OK doing it this way!"

That being said, however, here are all the links you SHOULD need to read the rules yourself. It's pretty easy reading, and the rules are pretty simple.

TSA LINKS:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/ ... ems.shtm#5
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/ ... _1666.shtm

DELTA AIRLINES: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/ ... _1666.shtm

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES: http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/guns.html

(If you are travelling by another carrier, just search their website for their policy regarding travelling with firearms and ammunition)

Additionally, here are some pointers that I learned from my last trip... again, you should still do your own research but this will help you get started:

1) First and foremost, read and follow:
a) the TSA guidelines
b) the guidelines of the airlineyou are flying on.

2) Consider the states you are flying:
a) TO
b) THROUGH
c) NEAR
The reason it is important to have a general understanding of the firearms laws in all the adjacent states in your flight-path is b/c some states are very gun-unfriendly and may not be too happy if you land there with a firearm (even though it's unloaded, secured, and checked)... what happens, for instance, if you plane gets re-routed and lands somewhere other than where you intended??? Unfortunately there is at least one instance where this occurred on the East coast and the individual was charged with transporting a firearm into that state (even though doing such was NOT his intent... you can search the forum for the details, it's here somewhere). There are several good sites that will give you good info regarding state's views on firearms... here is one of them: http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/

3) As an *EXAMPLE* of my experience flying from UT to WA on SouthWest with no layovers:
a) I packed my firearm in the basic plastic case it came with when I bought it. It was fully unloaded. I locked the case with *NON-TSA* key-lock. I placed the case in my luggage roughly in the middle tucked amongst my clothing.
b) I then placed my ammo in it's original cardboard box, sealed it inside a plastic baggy, and placed it within my clothing as well.
c) I then locked my luggage with a *TSA* lock.
d) Upon arriving at the airport I went to the check-in counter to check my luggage and told the attendant that I needed to declare that I was checking in a firearm. She had me fill out a form which she had me place inside my luggage.
e) She then escorted me to the TSA handlers who asked me a "?" or two about my firearm (that it was unloaded and locked) and that was it.

4) The important things to keep in mind:
a) Stow your firearm per the guidelines
b) Lock your firearm case with a lock ONLY YOU have a key to (as opposed to TSA-certified lock -- do NOT use a TSA-cert'd lock on your gun case!)
c) Lock your luggage with a lock that TSA CAN ACCESS -- this is all so that they can search your luggage without you being there but not access you firearm unless you are present.

I hope that all makes sense and helps! But PLEASE make sure to read the rules for yourself, I might have missed something! Also, be CERTAIN of the rules of the various states involved so you don't get in hot water from an innocent mistake.

Don't be afraid to ask "?"s if you still have them!

Oh yeah, and happy flying! :)
 

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swillden said:
...you can't take gun or ammo in carry-on, obviously...
And yet it's interesting to contemplate how that fateful day on 9-11-2001 might have been different if there WERE law-abiding and armed citizens on those flights...
 

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bane said:
swillden said:
...you can't take gun or ammo in carry-on, obviously...
And yet it's interesting to contemplate how that fateful day on 9-11-2001 might have been different if there WERE law-abiding and armed citizens on those flights...
Indeed.

Shortly after 9/11 I made dozens of posts on a variety of fora (though mostly on slashdot.org) pushing the notion that the government should establish a program for training and licensing citizens (at the citizens' own expense) to carry on an aircraft. Even if it cost several hundred dollars to obtain and maintain such a permit, I fly enough that I'd consider it money well-spent. Although the actions of the passengers on Flight 93 are a pretty clear indication of what future hijackers (terrorists or not) can expect even from unarmed passengers, the likelihood of armed passengers would make hijacking *very* unappealing.

Actually, though, there already are more guns on aircraft than most people realize. Many federal LEOs are allowed to carry, not to mention the Air Marshals and sometimes military personnel escorting weapons are authorized to carry as well.

I have a brother that carried a loaded M-9 on a commercial aircraft once. His UTARNG unit was flying commercial for annual deployment somewhere. Since they were taking their duty weapons, regulations required an escort "under arms". He was the last on the plane because he had to watch the weapons being loaded into the cargo hold, and watch the hold being sealed, and the first off to watch the process in reverse. I should ask him sometime whether he concealed, or whether he was in uniform with a holster on his LBU. Probably concealed and in civvies, since he's a CI instructor and has an issued shoulder holster.

He's at Fort Lewis right now, BTW, preparing for a deployment to Afghanistan :(
 

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Bane, I'm curious to know where you got the TSA-lock business.

I've never heard of that requirement before, and have never done that myself when I fly. I certainly lock the hard-sided gun case with a lock for which only I have the key. This hard-sided case is the plastic one in which a gun came when I bought it new. Then I stow that case inside my suitcase.

Sometimes the TSA agent searches my luggage, and sometimes he/she just X-rays it. I'm required to wait until they give me the OK.
 

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Jeff,

That was my bad. I interjected that part in such a way that it sounded like a requirement. It was just something that *I* do which I think is a smart idea.

To clarify, I locked my gun-case with a NON-TSA-lock and then put a TSA-lock on my luggage. The TSA-luggage-lock, however, is not required. I only use it so that I can also maintain my luggage in a locked state (you can no longer lock your luggage UNLESS you use a TSA-lock). Additionally I should clarify that you can NOT place a TSA-lock on your gun case.

I hope that makes sense... ???
 
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