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Ok, now that my life has slowed down a little bit, we have a date for the FREE concealed firearms permit class. June 7, 2008 in Salt Lake City.

This class is FREE for College Co-eds due to the number of acts of violence against college co-eds over the last few months. We believe that they are easy targets and want them to be able to legally protect themselves and we can help. The class is limited to 50 people. If someone wants to attend the class with their spouse, they will need to pay $25 for the class but are welcome. Please contact us through our website as we are having a sign up roster that we will add the students to. Email us at [email protected] withthe title FREE CFP for Co-eds. Please SPREAD THE WORD. Each student will need to bring a small folding chair. Lets get these women protected and also increase our number of CFPers.
 

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Chris,

Nothing personal, but you just pulled a bait 'n switch on many members here. You advertised a free class, then you changed it to co-eds only. Me thinks you should offer a free class to those who expressed interest in your original post.

Count me out, though, as I couldn't wait much longer and took my class last weekend.
 

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No, a real bait and switch is designed to sucker you into buying something when something else was dangled in your face to entice you.

Chris isn't trying to sucker you into buying anything at all. I think that he's being very generous to offer a free class to all co-eds. He doesn't have to do this, you know.
 

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Jeff Johnson said:
No, a real bait and switch is designed to sucker you into buying something when something else was dangled in your face to entice you.

Chris isn't trying to sucker you into buying anything at all. I think that he's being very generous to offer a free class to all co-eds. He doesn't have to do this, you know.
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I was tired when I wrote that and I realized afterwards that, indeed, it wasn't a "bait 'n switch" per se. But I still say that many members here at UCC were interested and are now being denied an opportunity. And yes, Chris has no obligation to offer such a class. I've always been a man of my word, so I guess that's where I'm annoyed by this. But hey, I already attended a CFP class, so if no one else is bothered by this, then its a moot point.
 

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We do FREE classes often. We do not charge our Military for the class, we even did a free class for a local fire dept. With this class, we are wanting to help those individuals who seem to be attacked more often. I know this as I was a police officer at a university and we had a nasty crime. Since I booked him (the bad guy) into jail, I hjave wondered if she was armed, could it have made a difference? We (STG) try to donate our time often, we even do FREE basic safety classes for non profit groups. We just feel that this may help one or more of the co-eds if they are ever attacked.
 

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For any university students who need free training:
1. FBMG offers free concealed carry permit courses for university students
2. Front Sight Firearms Institute offers a 5 day Armed Citizen Corps course (normal cost roughly $2500) for free to university students in Utah. It includes the Four Day Defensive Handgun course and the fifth day consists of CFP training/certification giving you Utah, Nevada and Florida permits.

If there are other free courses available, please post in the "Training Center" .

To Chris: We know you are busy and we were hoping to take a class from you (having heard so many positive things about your courses), we respect your right to give free training how, when and to whom you see fit, but I cannot say I wasn't a bit disappointed to learn that it was for coeds only (having thought of our family and friends who could use such a course). Thank you for the services you provide and best wishes in your business endeavors.
 

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This class is a steal at $25. Chris covers the the Utah laws thoroughly, discusses various situations, brings a variety of guns to handle, takes your picture and prints it, and provides all of the signed documentation. All you have to do is get fingerprinted at your local law enforcement office, copy your drivers license, and mail everything with a check.

When I was in Colorado I paid $100 for a CCW class and it was not nearly as good as Chris'.

I have no relation to Chris, just a satisfied customer! :D
 

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Thanks for the feedback and compliments on our training. When we were looking at doing this free class, we (My instructors and I) sat down and talked. We looked at the news and what was going on in the Country and who seemed to be victims at the time. Well, at the time, it was co-eds. We know there are other victims, but those of you who have been to college know how tight money is. This is why we chose to offer the class free to them at this time. This isn't to say that we won’t be doing other free classes. Our class is always free to Military and will always be free to them. They protect us and this is our way to say thank you. I do have to laugh. We (STG) has paid for lunch for people at the "Meet and Greets", offered to pay for lunch for guest speakers and other things like that. People are somewhat upset with us for offering a class to a certain people for free because it doesn't benefit them????? Well, we are sorry to make it not free to everyone out there. The problem is, it’s a business and we do have our expenses that we need to pay such as our website, paychecks, equipment for other classes, range fees etc. We have done free classes for firefighters; we offer free classes to people with valid protective orders and other people with special circumstances.

This post might come a crossed a little harsh and if it offends anyone I’m sorry. But as Dennis Kennedy might be able to agree, we can’t do classes for free all the time.
 

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Ofcourse everyone wants a free class, But skip eating out just once (or heaven forbid, dont buy that box of .40 ammo) and you can afford to take one of Chris's classes. For under $100 (including gas) you can get your permit (even with a free class you have to pay $65). is it really that much to tack on $25 or even $50?
 

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My disappointment (not that I blame Chris at all) was that I was scheming to use it as an opportunity to get my wife to take a class. See, Chris and I are distant relatives, but have never met, so I could say I was just going to meet him and maybe some others, and I could convince her to come along, because it would be interesting and wouldn't cost anything.

The reason I want her to take a class is because it would get her thinking about things, and I think there's a very good chance that it would lead to her deciding to at least submit her CFP application, and eventually lead to her carrying, at least when I'm not with her. She had no objection to guns or carrying but just doesn't see it as important for her. I think a good discussion, from someone other than me, would help her see it differently. As long as the class costs money, though, there's no chance of convincing her that the class isn't a waste, and if I paid for a class because I wanted her to go, she'd go with a closed mind.

Oh, and it would also have been a great excuse to go meet Chris. Of course, if I could make it to some of the meets...

Anyway, I think the free class for female college students is a good idea, and I hope attendance is good.
 
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