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Hope this happens in Utah. Then we can pretty much carry wherever, except federal buildings and secure areas. This was passed in Florida.
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I was terribly disappointed when the Utah bill for this died last year. My employer does not allow any firearms, even in a person's car. This causes real havoc when I want to hit the range after work. I have to go all the home before going all the way back to the range. It also means that any errands I run before/after work are done disarmed.

I sincerely hope the bill is renewed next year.
 

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A similar law was being considered in Utah within the past few months. Didn't make it into law, but at sometime I'm sure it will.

Remember this doesn't give you the right to carry anywhere as you kind of suggested in your statement. This law only allows you to lock and leave a gun in your personal vehicle while on company property. If you bring a gun into company buildings, you may still be disciplined (fired) if it is against company policy. You can't be fired for leaving your gun in your vehicle though.
 

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doconix said:
I was terribly disappointed when the Utah bill for this died last year. My employer does not allow any firearms, even in a person's car. This causes real havoc when I want to hit the range after work. I have to go all the home before going all the way back to the range. It also means that any errands I run before/after work are done disarmed.

I sincerely hope the bill is renewed next year.
Why not just keep you gun(s) in your car anyway and keep quiet about it? The only way anybody is going to find out is if you tell them, assuming you keep them out of site that is. You might be better off this way in the long run anyway as it could lessen the chance of the vehicle being broken into to steal them as they aren't supposed to be there.
 

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althor said:
Why not just keep you gun(s) in your car anyway and keep quiet about it? The only way anybody is going to find out is if you tell them, assuming you keep them out of site that is. You might be better off this way in the long run anyway as it could lessen the chance of the vehicle being broken into to steal them as they aren't supposed to be there.
Because I often give coworkers rides to lunch or whatever. There is a chance they might see it at some point and cause trouble. It's just not worth the risks IMO.
 

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doconix said:
Because I often give coworkers rides to lunch or whatever. There is a chance they might see it at some point and cause trouble. It's just not worth the risks IMO.
You are, of course, the one that has to make that call.

I look at it the same way I look at carrying concealed into Trolley Square or other posted areas. As long as you keep it concealed and nobody knows, there won't be any problem.

It would be nice if Utah passes a law similar to Florida's though.
 

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doconix said:
althor said:
Why not just keep you gun(s) in your car anyway and keep quiet about it? The only way anybody is going to find out is if you tell them, assuming you keep them out of site that is. You might be better off this way in the long run anyway as it could lessen the chance of the vehicle being broken into to steal them as they aren't supposed to be there.
Because I often give coworkers rides to lunch or whatever. There is a chance they might see it at some point and cause trouble. It's just not worth the risks IMO.
I certainly understand making exceptions when it comes to employment, especially when good jobs are hard to find. I would think that your trunk would be fine, what are the odds anybody will look there? (truck or car?) But any coworker that would rat you out doesn't deserve a ride to lunch... or at least the ride back!
 

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mchlwise said:
doconix said:
Because I often give coworkers rides to lunch or whatever. There is a chance they might see it at some point and cause trouble. It's just not worth the risks IMO.
You are, of course, the one that has to make that call.

I look at it the same way I look at carrying concealed into Trolley Square or other posted areas. As long as you keep it concealed and nobody knows, there won't be any problem.

It would be nice if Utah passes a law similar to Florida's though.
Not the same. Trolley Square and other posted areas, you simply get kicked out of the area / store.
Violate a company policy and you may lose your job.

You know your employer better than we do.
 

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Why not park on the street or at other parking lots. That way no one can say anything. Is your companies parking lot that secure or open.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
Where do you work (if you can tell us)? Is there an option to follow the don't ask, don't tell theory and carry anyways?
I work for a subsidary of H&R Block(currently looking for a new job), and they have a no gun policy. I most likely will keep it in my car or deep conceal. If I do keep it in my car is there any risk of a discharge with the hot summer heat?
 

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You would have to have extreme temperatures (fire, etc) to have a discharge, but I would deep conceal if I were in your position.
 

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Not the same. Trolley Square and other posted areas, you simply get kicked out of the area / store.
Violate a company policy and you may lose your job.
Obviously there's more to lose by violating your employer's policy than there is by violating a mall's policy - but my point was that as long as nobody knows there shouldn't be an issue.

Again, it's ultimately his decision, but I would just do it quietly.
 

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I am in the same boat. However, I made the decision that I can replace my job but not my life or the life of a coworker. I carry in a way that nobody knows and therefor it has never been an issue and I don't expect there will be.
 

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ndavis2008 said:
If I do keep it in my car is there any risk of a discharge with the hot summer heat?
Temperatures high enough to cause a round to cook off would also star your car on fire. If global warming gets that bad, you'd better keep your gun on you :)
 

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I made the decision that I can replace my job but not my life or the life of a coworker. I carry in a way that nobody knows and therefor it has never been an issue and I don't expect there will be.
I think that's great logic, Thomas. If you ever have to use it and save lives, they can decide later if they really want to enforce the policy. In the meantime, there's no reason for anyone to ever know.

I actually think it's quite noble to carry as you do. It's one thing to be a uniformed "protector" who gets recognition and the occasional thanks. It's quite another to be quietly prepared, aware, observant, and willing to protect others' lives if necessary with no recognition whatsoever by people whose lives are significantly safer at work on a daily basis, and go home every day oblivious to that fact.
 
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I really don't know about these laws; maybe someone can give a little guidance.

As much as I am a fan of being free to carry where I like I am a bigger fan of liberty in general. Telling property owners what to do with their property is a sin. If I as the lot owner say you can park your car why can I not delineate the conditions under which a car may be parked; including the contents of the car and included in that a firearm? Why does the state have the right to tell me how to dispose of my property? The old saying "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" comes to mind.
 

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Eukatae said:
I really don't know about these laws; maybe someone can give a little guidance.

As much as I am a fan of being free to carry where I like I am a bigger fan of liberty in general. Telling property owners what to do with their property is a sin. If I as the lot owner say you can park your car why can I not delineate the conditions under which a car may be parked; including the contents of the car and included in that a firearm? Why does the state have the right to tell me how to dispose of my property? The old saying "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" comes to mind.
When you park in a store's parking lot, do you feel they have the right to search your car? If they can specify that normally legal items may not be brought on their property, then there is an implied ability to verify those items are not present.
 
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Eukatae said:
I really don't know about these laws; maybe someone can give a little guidance.

As much as I am a fan of being free to carry where I like I am a bigger fan of liberty in general. Telling property owners what to do with their property is a sin. If I as the lot owner say you can park your car why can I not delineate the conditions under which a car may be parked; including the contents of the car and included in that a firearm? Why does the state have the right to tell me how to dispose of my property? The old saying "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" comes to mind.
When you park in a store's parking lot, do you feel they have the right to search your car? If they can specify that normally legal items may not be brought on their property, then there is an implied ability to verify those items are not present.
If they state that by parking they have implied consent to search my car then yes I do.
 

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If they state that by parking they have implied consent to search my car then yes I do.
Would you expect the statement to be posted on a sign by the entrance to their parking lot, or would you consider a line or two in the "privacy policy" on the store's Web site be sufficient?

To draw an analogy, I know I am giving permission for search if I enter the secure area of an airport. I don't feel I have given permission for search when entering a WalMart.
 
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