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OK - as a new Utah permit holder, I did a little test to try to figure out what I need to know when traveling (through Idaho, for example, as our family may be doing soon). I know it is ultimately my responsibility to know and understand the law differences in Idaho as opposed to Utah, so here is what I did.....please let me know if I am missing anything (especially if there are Idaho folks around here):

* Idaho is listed as a "shall issue" state.

* Idaho is listed as a state which "honors and recognizes" the Utah permit, but does not have (or need) a formal reciprocity agreement. I assume that means I am fine in Idaho with a valid Utah permit in my possession at all times, and that I don't need to purchase or apply for any special documentation in Idaho.

* I looked up information regarding Idaho's gun and carry laws at the following three websites:

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/
http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws
http://www.legallyarmed.com

These websites also led me to Idaho's state agency responsible for this type of stuff (http://www2.state.id.us/ag).

After quickly reviewing the law in Idaho, I could only note a few differences from Utah law:

(1) I did not see any provision banning concealed carry in churches or private residences.

(2) I did note a provision that restricts carrying a concealed firearm (even with a permit) into the following places: "...juvenile detention facility, adult correctional facility, prison, jail, public school or private school....the State Capitol Mall area...." Other state, local, or federal agencies MAY restrict firearms on their property.

(3) A "concealed weapon" also applies to a knife in Idaho, and does not only apply to firearms.

So...anything I'm missing? I'd be curious to know if anyone has had other interesting (good or bad) experiences while carrying in other parts of the nation.
 

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bbjoe said:
After quickly reviewing the law in Idaho, I could only note a few differences from Utah law:

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(3) A "concealed weapon" also applies to a knife in Idaho, and does not only apply to firearms.
This is the same in Utah. Utah law prohibits carrying concealed "dangerous weapons", not just firearms, and even though the Utah permit is called a "Concealed Firearm Permit" holders are allowed to carry dangerous weapons, not just firearms.

As far as I can tell, the only significant differences between Utah and Idaho law are the other two you noted. In Utah it's an infraction to carry in churches and private residences, if they don't want you to. In Idaho it's a misdemeanor to carry in a public or private elementary or secondary school.
 

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Another interesting note about Idaho is no National Parks like Utah. So you can carry in the wilderness without any worry of breaking the laws.

I carried a S&W .45 while I was hiking in the Sawtooth Mountains last year. Openly carried it in the small towns on the way to the mountains and nobody gave me any hassle about it. Got a few momentary looks from what appeared to be tourists but nothing bad.
 

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Idaho and Utah are very similar. As for standard places you will end up on a trip you will be just fine. It looks like you found a solid list of places off limits and I could not find any more to add to this. Enjoy the trip.
 

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I don't believe it is necessary to inform a law enforcement officer that you are carrying, as required in Utah.
 

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Idaho
Must Notify Officer: NO
Wildlife Management Areas: Unknown
State/National Forests: YES
State Parks: NO
Road Side Rests: YES per ISP

· A Courthouse NO
· Juvenile Justice Facility Or Jail NO
· A Public or Private School. NO

Parks & Recreation Administrative Rules 26.01.20600.

No person may discharge firearms or any other projectile firing device, or otherwise purposefully or negligently endanger
the life of any person or creature within any land administered by the department. All firearms brought onto lands
administered by the department shall be unloaded at all times and either out of sight, or in a vehicle, except when used for
legal hunting as authorized in Section

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Idaho is a "we honor all" State. However, not all LEOs are aware of the law or choose to selectively interpret it. That's what happened to me when I was driving up I-15 through Bonneville County outside of the Idaho Falls City limits October 2006. A sheriff's deputy had nothing else to do so he pulled me over for a fishing expedition.

I pulled out my the first CCW in my wallet which was Florida and presented it with my driver's license. After his sergeant and backup arrived, they claimed it was no good. I then gave the sheriff's deputy the rest of my CCWs (CT, NV, NH, UT and VA) and told him, "Are you a gambling man? I have a royal flush, what do you have?"

They finally cut me loose after verifying my UT CFP. The sergeant who responded to the stop also stated that none of my CCWs were valid in Montana which isn't true. The MT AG will add any State to their recognition list that has a statutory fingerprinting requirement.

I contacted my attorney and the ID AG. The ID AG responded back with a letter that my Florida was indeed valid in ID as long as it's in my physical possession. I send a letter of complaint to the Sheriff's office public relations address. My attorney also filed a complaint against the Sheriff's Office through ID State Police. My attorney also found out that BCSO did not contact ID State Police and found out that there was a stop made by BCSO on that stretch of I-15 north bound. The only inquiry was made into the validity of my Utah, not my Florida. The dispatcher my attorney talked to was on duty and recalls the stop. She verified with her lieutenant on duty that Idaho is a "we honor all State." Suffice to say BCSO are on notice that Idaho is a "we honor all" State. My attorney has also advised me that if I have any issues in Idaho with the validity of a CCW to request ID State Police to respond to the scene.

It's also interesting to note that Bonneville County/Idaho Falls is a corrupt area of the State as well as a prosecutor was recently charged on several felony counts.
 

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It's also interesting to note that Bonneville County/Idaho Falls is a corrupt area of the State as well as a prosecutor was recently charged on several felony counts.
Frankly calling the entire county a "corrupt area of the State" is crap. Idaho Falls is a great place and by far most of the LE and Judicial people there are good people. I hardly find one bad apple grounds to declare a whole county corrupt. Because if it is I'm sure I can find a lot more nasty people in Davis, Utah, and Salt Lake counties any day of the week and maybe even in just as important positions.
 

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I'm not quite sure how Utah, Davis and Salt Lake counties are relevant, since nxiv is from Nevada, but I doubt there is any county in the country that has never had an official arrested, indicted or impeached for something - doesn't make the whole country "corrupt".
 

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My attorney has also advised me that if I have any issues in Idaho with the validity of a CCW to request ID State Police to respond to the scene.
This is an interesting suggestion.

On the one hand, based on my reading of various incidents around the country on OCDO, it seems that state troopers in all states are generally a bit better informed about gun laws, and I've always had the impression that they're generally a higher caliber of LEO than local cops, so getting them on the scene would be really helpful. On the other hand, I know that there's often little love lost between city and county cops and their state brothers, so I wonder how the sheriff's deputy would respond to being asked to call in the state police.
 

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Does Utah have "State" police?
They go by the kinder, more PC name: Department of Public Safety.
 

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Around here if you ask for state police you will get the highway patrol. They are also the department that will respond to incidents involving other police officers (i.e. traffic accidents).
 

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My opinion of ID Falls and Bonneville County comes from my experience with the Sheriff's Office being the fish in a fishing expedition and knowing someone who has lived there all their life. It's harassment plain and simple. So yes, I do have it on pretty good knowledge that it is bad up there from first and second hand experience.

When I have to take my assault attorney to Bonneville County because they either are too ignorant or choose to interpret the law their way then yes, I can say that. If they would have pressed the issue further and arrested or cited me for illegal CCW it would have been like hitting the lottery. One of my favorite sayings is, "You can kill someone only once, but you can keep them in collections forever."

Hopefully no one carrying legally on an Out of State CCW will have any issues after they've been put on notice on what the law really is.

Yes, Utah has State police; State Police, State Trooper or DPS, it's the same thing. It's whatever your State wide law enforcement agency is. They drive cars that say State Trooper on them with a Beehive on the doors. I wouldn't have had the sheriff call for ID State Police, I would call them myself on my cell phone and request they respond to the scene.

Oh we have more than our share of corruption here in Clark County NV. The difference is that it makes for good comic satire on some local FM radio stations. It's not getting caught the corrupt people here worry about, it's how much ridicule they get over the public airwaves.
 

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Well nxiv I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think Idaho Falls is a great place and would much rather live there than Clark County any day.
 

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Yes, our Utah Highway Patrol (UHP) are indeed our State Police/State Troopers. I believe they act in many official "state" functions (e.g., guarding the State Capitol, etc...). I also agree...they seem to usually be a cut above the rest in terms of education and training. I certainly do not mean any disrespect to any other fantastic and highly-trained law enforcement personnel out there who work for local governments, etc... I just happen to have been impressed a time or two with the UHP. I'm sure they've had their foul-ups too (either real or preceived).
 
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