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About 5 years ago, I went through the trouble of getting my paperwork all ready to go for a CFP. I remember at the time reading the statutes and realizing that there is a possibility I could be denied a CFP. I hadn't given this a thought until I picked up a copy of Mitch Vilo's Utah Gun Law book, and re-read the statutes on obtaining a CFP.

About 10 years ago, I was cited for open container. Stupid thing to do, I know, but I was young and stupid, what can I say? Otherwise my record is clean as a whistle.

At the time I did the paperwork, I called the BCI and asked them how likely it was that I would be denied a permit. The investigator I talked to didn't think it would be a problem.

But now five years have passed, and times may have changed.

I wish I'd actually had the time to take the class and get my papers filed then. :(

Anybody think that I'm not going to get the permit? :dunno:
 

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All I can say is, GO FOR IT.
 

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I was told in my class to just include a paper with your application being honest & explaining the circumstances & that should help.
 

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I have "isues" in my "young and stupit" past. I submitted a letter explaining the situation and how i have changed since then and my permit was approved. It was also about 10 years ago as well. Just write a letter and don't leave it off. If you leave it off they may think your hiding somthing. Good luck
 

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Hmm, the circumstances of the open container was that a group of guys and I were going to USU for a football game. (Yeah, drunken Utes, I know) and we were pulled over. We actually had a designated driver who was NOT drinking, and he was NOT cited. So we may have been breaking the law, but definitely not the spirit of the law. We were trying to be safe and sane. I should probably put that into my admission of guilt.
 

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It is my understanding they look at the last five years or so on "minor" incidences. I also have had students with "young and stupid issues when they were young and stupid" who received a permit.
 

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Call BCI again and ask their opinion. They are fairly good about telling the whys and wherefores.
 

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I had a "young and stupid" on my record as well. In my case it was a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, in a situation where I wasn't doing anything wrong, but had no prayer of convincing the cop that I wasn't. I was arrested, plead guilty because that was the easiest way to resolve it and it would just get me a year of unsupervised probation and a record that would supposedly be expunged if I completed the probation without incident. As it turns out, I had no incidents, but the record wasn't expunged.

Last year when I decided to apply for a CFP I was worried that this 20 year-old misdemeanor guilty plea would disqualify me. It was for theft, which falls into the "moral turpitude" clause of the CFP review process. I e-mailed the BCI, described the situation and within a couple of days got a response saying that if what I described was my only issue, there would be no problem.
 

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UtahCFP said:
Call BCI again and ask their opinion. They are fairly good about telling the whys and wherefores.
I did call them five years ago, and they didn't think it would be a problem. I should stop letting the doubt about this delay me from taking the class.
 

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As long as you are up front with BCI, explain what happened in a letter with your application, and don't have any major issues I would assume you will be fine. On these types of applications it is a lot better if you explain what happened instead of leaving it off and having BCI find it and then call you and ask about it. I really doubt that a "young and stupid" open container will disqualify you.

Look at the application requirements for the FBI. I think that if you smoked pot, as long as it is more than 5 years ago, you can still be hired by them. Take that for what it's worth.
 

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I recently had a gentleman contact me with a similar question about eligibility for the CFP. I told him to call BCI and check with them. He called, and was told that since it had been more than six years since his infraction, he was good to go. I can't speak for BCI and I don't know which infractions count for what, but the folks at BCI keep proving themselves to be very helpful and genuinely interested in doing things right. Give 'em a call and they'll give you the straight skinny. :thumbsup:
 

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I know that a dui will make it so you cannot get or will suspend your permit for 5 yrs, alc related wreckless 3 yrs. I think the only things that will completely disqualify you are violent offenses and or felony convictions. I would be willing to bet your good to go, quit slackin and get it taken care of!
 
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