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The Brady background check is an effective and quick method of screening gun buyers to prevent sales to restricted persons. This effectiveness makes certain aspects of current gun-control legislation obsolete including inter-state transactions. I urge the immediate introduction and enactment of legislation that will modernize federal gun control laws to take advantage of current background check technology. As an example, as a Utah citizen, I should be able to walk into a gun store or gun show in any other state in the Union, show appropriate ID, complete the appropriate form(s), submit to the Brady background check in that state, and buy any gun that is legal in that state and bring it home (provided that gun is also legal in Utah). I should even be able to conduct the same inter-state transaction from home via mail or fax. All we need is for Congress and the president to remove this obsolete infringement of our Second Amendment right.
 

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Good point. And after that restriction of our second amendment rights is removed, we can work on getting rid of the background check, too.
 

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I dont think I understand.. or know

So... you cant go to say NV and buy a gun at a store because your not a resident?
 

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So... you cant go to say NV and buy a gun at a store because your not a resident?
That's correct. Many states will not sell guns to non-residents. It's very interesting, because they have made the act of purchasing a firearm illegal, not simply the possession or transportation of an illegal firearm.

For example, it's not illegal for me as a Utah resident to buy fireworks in Wyoming. I can buy them and use them in Wyoming. But some types of fireworks that are legal in Wyoming are illegal in Utah. As soon as I transport the illegal types of fireworks into Utah, I have broken the law. But it is not against the law for me to purchase them - even if my intent is to bring them to Utah. In regards to guns, rather than simply enforcing the legality of weapons within a state, the states have made it illegal to sell those guns to non-residents in a feeble attempt to somehow enforce the laws of OTHER states. It's all a bunch of rubbish, really - especially considering the background check technology we have that allows any state to determine if the person purchasing the firearm can do so legally.
 

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thats retarded and makes no sense.

With the exception of the dumb Class 3 and assault weapons laws, but thats retarded too.

you should be able to buy any weapon in any state if you pass a simple background check.

I like the background check, I would like to think it slows down guns getting into criminals hands, but we all know they get them one way or another
 

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I like the background check, I would like to think it slows down guns getting into criminals hands, but we all know they get them one way or another
I agree with your general viewpoint. The problem is that laws like this don't stop people from doing something they shouldn't. In fact, no law can stop you from doing anything. Unfortunately, there are many people who believe that if you outlaw something it will stop that behavior. This delusional thinking is what gets us into messes and only damages the law abiding among us. It also damages confidence in the system and rule of law. What we need instead of more laws and regulations is more personal responsibility and accountability for our actions. Carrying out punishments for moral infractions would lead to a much safer society than merely banning everything and hoping people obey the laws.
 

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The Gun control Act of 1968 (GCA68) says a handgun purchaser may only buy a gun in the state in which he/she resides.

The GCA68 allows long gun sales to individuals in contiguous states that do not violate either state law. The 1968 interstate sales provisions were so cumbersome that they were rarely used. Many (if not most) dealers were unwilling to risk making such a sale. Federal law was relaxed a bit in 1986 (Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986) to allow dealers to make interstate rifle and shotgun sales as long as the buyer meets in person with the dealer, and the transaction complies with the laws of both the buyer's and the seller's states. Nevertheless, many dealers are still unwilling to risk making such a sale because they must be knowledgeable of the laws in both states.

Private sales between residents of two different states must go through a licensed dealer. Even a handgun inherited after Grandpa's death must be handled through a licensed dealer on each end of the transfer if Grandpa lives in another state. You can't even legally bring it home with you after Grandpa's funeral!

While the GCA68 prohibits the direct mail-ordering of firearms, a person may ship a gun via contract carrier (UPS or FedEx) to a gunsmith (who always has an FFL) or the gunmaker's factory for repairs or modification. After the repair work is done, the gunsmith or the factory may ship the weapon directly back to the customer.

See http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets ... spx?id=199
 

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I like the background check, I would like to think it slows down guns getting into criminals hands, but we all know they get them one way or another
I'm with you. And the idea that making inter-state firearms sales illegal is somehow going to deter a criminal from getting and using a gun is silly. So many politicians and states somehow think that more laws somehow makes up for the fact that the existing laws are taken so lightly. Having fewer, but more strict laws against real gun crimes would be better. All these other laws tend to do is make lawful citizens and businessmen into felons when they inadvertently or unknowingly sell a gun to someone that lives across the border (Idaho is just 10 miles up the road from me).

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Update: Looks like Dave beat me to it.
 

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blainenay said:
The Brady background check is an effective and quick method of screening gun buyers to prevent sales to restricted persons. This effectiveness makes certain aspects of current gun-control legislation obsolete including inter-state transactions. I urge the immediate introduction and enactment of legislation that will modernize federal gun control laws to take advantage of current background check technology. As an example, as a Utah citizen, I should be able to walk into a gun store or gun show in any other state in the Union, show appropriate ID, complete the appropriate form(s), submit to the Brady background check in that state, and buy any gun that is legal in that state and bring it home (provided that gun is also legal in Utah). I should even be able to conduct the same inter-state transaction from home via mail or fax. All we need is for Congress and the president to remove this obsolete infringement of our Second Amendment right.
Makes perfect sense to me.

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