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Well done tonight Clark on KSL's Talking Point and I personally applaude you correcting Mr. Gunn in where he had his facts wrong. Sometimes in those live events someone gets cut off and this time the facts were clear. For those that missed it, here is the link:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3566198
 

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Sorry my bad I meant to post this on the CC thread...rookie
 

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That Mr. Gunn was a frakn' dope. He didn't know anything and had an elitist attitude. He will keep his attitude until he is robbed or mugged.
 

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Saw it and all I can say is way to go Clark.
 

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Wow Mr. Gunn flat out lied glad to see Clark call him on it. umm i cant think of any good arguments to start with so I'll say that Utahans are paying for out of state permits with their taxes. That guy is a little weasel. I wish Clark could have heard better and was able to refute his claim that more guns = more crime. Other than that he did an amazing job well done! :thewave: :patriot:
 

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Ok, I watched the video, and I have a couple of thoughts:

I know the permits pay for themselves, but the whole point really should be moot... we should be allowed to conceal carry without a permit... there shouldn't even BE such a thing as a conceal carry permit.

I worry that the fence-sitters will take mr Gunn's word over Clark's because mr Gunn was all dressed up, whereas Clark had on a T-shirt, etc. Mr Gunn just seemed more professional. It'd be nice if we all could show that kind of professionalism in our brushes with the media, to show the public that we aren't just a bunch of hooligans, and that we're serious about our movement. Just a thought.

Edit: my mistake, clark was wearing a button up shirt.... but the fact of the matter is I came away from it thinking he was wearing a t-shirt. So my point is not really what they are wearing but how Mr Gunn seemed a little bit more professional, that's all.
 

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Yes, I set up the OC YouTube account. Thought it would be a good medium for us to post all of our video material and news coverage.
 

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Dave, thanks for posting the video on youtube.

eddified said:
I worry that the fence-sitters will take mr Gunn's word over Clark's because mr Gunn was all dressed up, whereas Clark had on a T-shirt, etc. Mr Gunn just seemed more professional. It'd be nice if we all could show that kind of professionalism in our brushes with the media, to show the public that we aren't just a bunch of hooligans, and that we're serious about our movement. Just a thought.

Edit: my mistake, clark was wearing a button up shirt.... but the fact of the matter is I came away from it thinking he was wearing a t-shirt. So my point is not really what they are wearing but how Mr Gunn seemed a little bit more professional, that's all.
I disagree. Clark handled himself much more professional than Mr. Gunn. He looked the camera straight in the eye when he spoke and he had his facts straight. He did have a hard time hearing but that was a technical issue that he did not have control of.
 

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Clark address the issues much more substantially too; specifically when he said, "they just discussed that today," and all Gunn could say to refute it was, "I don't think that's true." But, when was gun control ever about facts or safety.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
apollosmith said:
Unfortunately, the video is in RealPlayer format and I refuse to install that virus on my computer. Welcome to 1999. Way to go KSL! :ack:
Go view it on OCTV.
Thank you Dave for allowing me to see that.

KSL is unbelievable.

I have read drivel put out by Gunn before and now I have a face to put with the idiot words, lies and half truths.

Tarzan
 

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eddified said:
Ok, I watched the video, and I have a couple of thoughts:

I know the permits pay for themselves, but the whole point really should be moot... we should be allowed to conceal carry without a permit... there shouldn't even BE such a thing as a conceal carry permit.

I worry that the fence-sitters will take mr Gunn's word over Clark's because mr Gunn was all dressed up, whereas Clark had on a T-shirt, etc. Mr Gunn just seemed more professional. It'd be nice if we all could show that kind of professionalism in our brushes with the media, to show the public that we aren't just a bunch of hooligans, and that we're serious about our movement. Just a thought.

Edit: my mistake, clark was wearing a button up shirt.... but the fact of the matter is I came away from it thinking he was wearing a t-shirt. So my point is not really what they are wearing but how Mr Gunn seemed a little bit more professional, that's all.
I had a different initial reaction to the piece. I was appalled at Nadine Wimmer's open bias toward Mr. Gunn's perspective, and her language to Clark. I think the video is very telling about what Nadine thinks. She's not entitled to an opinion, professionally, on the matter. Instead, her sworn duty is to protect the objectivity of her reporting. How far has journalism - and what it is supposed to stand for - strayed in recent years.

I remember being at Utah State University's Statesman Newspaper in the Photo department years ago. I like to joke around, and one thing I discovered quickly is that these "journalist" types HATE jokes about photo manipulation. I'd joke how a hand was in the wrong position, and "I can fix that 5 minutes in Photoshop - nobody will know the better." Man, talk about flying off the handle. These editors and writers freaked out. But present a topic that they despise, and their cunning words and connotations put my superior photoshopping skills to shame. It's really sad how much sway journalists have with the public today. It's all so partisan.

My first questions after watching the clip - noting all of the audio challenges - was A)Why was Mr. Billy "Hip Shooting" Gunn in the studio, while Clark was on a busy street with wind, environmental noise, and cars driving by, and B)Why was Clark's ear piece so quiet that he couldn't hear, when reporters no doubt have the same equipment in the field and they can hear just fine? These are issues that I think lend themselves to my first point.
 

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macwise said:
eddified said:
Ok, I watched the video, and I have a couple of thoughts:

I know the permits pay for themselves, but the whole point really should be moot... we should be allowed to conceal carry without a permit... there shouldn't even BE such a thing as a conceal carry permit.

I worry that the fence-sitters will take mr Gunn's word over Clark's because mr Gunn was all dressed up, whereas Clark had on a T-shirt, etc. Mr Gunn just seemed more professional. It'd be nice if we all could show that kind of professionalism in our brushes with the media, to show the public that we aren't just a bunch of hooligans, and that we're serious about our movement. Just a thought.

Edit: my mistake, clark was wearing a button up shirt.... but the fact of the matter is I came away from it thinking he was wearing a t-shirt. So my point is not really what they are wearing but how Mr Gunn seemed a little bit more professional, that's all.
I had a different initial reaction to the piece. I was appalled at Nadine Wimmer's open bias toward Mr. Gunn's perspective, and her language to Clark. I think the video is very telling about what Nadine thinks. She's not entitled to an opinion, professionally, on the matter. Instead, her sworn duty is to protect the objectivity of her reporting. How far has journalism - and what it is supposed to stand for - strayed in recent years.

I remember being at Utah State University's Statesman Newspaper in the Photo department years ago. I like to joke around, and one thing I discovered quickly is that these "journalist" types HATE jokes about photo manipulation. I'd joke how a hand was in the wrong position, and "I can fix that 5 minutes in Photoshop - nobody will know the better." Man, talk about flying off the handle. These editors and writers freaked out. But present a topic that they despise, and their cunning words and connotations put my superior photoshopping skills to shame. It's really sad how much sway journalists have with the public today. It's all so partisan.

My first questions after watching the clip - noting all of the audio challenges - was A)Why was Mr. Billy "Hip Shooting" Gunn in the studio, while Clark was on a busy street with wind, environmental noise, and cars driving by, and B)Why was Clark's ear piece so quiet that he couldn't hear, when reporters no doubt have the same equipment in the field and they can hear just fine? These are issues that I think lend themselves to my first point.
Answers:
A: They wanted Clark in the studio, but he was teaching a CCW class, so they agreed to come to him.
B: Good question.
 
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