[GeneticsDave]

As far as I understand, one of the responsibilities of being a CFP holder is to know the laws regarding concealed carry. This includes knowing how, when and where we are able to legally carry, i.e. checking with BCI. I was instructed to get on their website and read up on the laws, and anyone, by doing so, would have seen that the LDS Church is listed as no carry allowed. If one were to be criminally charged, I don't see the judge giving any leniency.

This makes the discussion somewhat moot. We are supposed to seek out what the CFP allows us to do, not just sit around and wait for people to tell us and then make them show it to us in writing.

Now don't get me wrong, I think the Church is doing a disservice to their members and the general public by restricting concealed carry. And I must admit that I value my life and the lives of my family over any laws of this country. I agree with the state of Vermont; the government does not have any right to take away or limit your ability or method of self preservation - hence why I believe the CFP to be superfluous and a technicality that I comply with simply to avoid legal hassle.

Anyways, this is just my two cents, but as far as I know, we are required to learn about the law and then comply - ignorance doesn't seem to afford much legal protection anymore.

 

[GeneticsDave]

However, one of the laws

Better to use the term conditions than laws.

the Church must make a public announcement every year before posting on the BCI site

They have to notify BCI within 30 days of the announcement.

The Church has not fulfilled all of the requirements and therefore they have no legal ground to stand on.

I agree that they most likely have not fulfilled the requirement of yearly notification. There could have been a notification on the Church web site, a Church publication or some other source, but I have not heard anything announced in my meetings. Even though I agree with ebrinton, I still doubt that the failure to continually notify would hold up in court - even though it probably should.

I guess what I am saying is that we should probably obey the Spirit of the law (since we know what it is) rather than getting nitpicky with the Letter of the law.

For more info, read the Utah Code Section 76-10-530

SHOUT OUT TO MY BOY EBRINTON

 

[GeneticsDave]

I've had people tell me that the Lord will protect us.

What a terrible thing to say. How irresponsible is it to be led as a blind sheep to the slaughter? Don't get me wrong, faith in the Lord's ability to protect his people is wonderful, but we must not forget James 2:26, "Faith without works is dead." I don't want to be dead. :shock:

LDS members adhere to modern day revelation that includes this statement from the Doctrine and Covenants: "but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear" (section 38, verse 30) and the Book of Mormon in which the author directly quotes the Lord: "Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed." (Alma 43:47).

Now, given the commandment to defend ourselves and our families, how should we prepare? I can tell you what it means to me, but I think you already know. :wink: