[mcosman]

Does someone know where or when the church has announced their gun ban? Was it in the Ensign? Church News? Read by each bishop at the pulpit?

The letter at http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,590038317,00.html was read in Utah LDS congregations in January 2004. Of note, the letter says that they will give public notice. I'm just curious what that notice would be (if not the letter itself) and if that notice has been renewed each year as required by law.

The BCI web site states the procedures for being listed on the site itself, but this does not alone meet the requirements of the law, which state one of the following must occur:
1. notice given in person.
2. posting of signs
3. announcement in congregation
4. publication in a bulletin, newsletter, worship program, etc.
5. publication in a newspaper of general circulation in the county in which the house of worship is located or the church or organization operating the house of worship has its principal office in this state.

I'm pretty sure that 1-4 have not occurred with the exception of #3 in 2004. I'm not aware of #5 occurring and can't find anything in either the Deseret News, Salt Lake Trib, or Church News.

I certainly respect the legal process and the Church's legal rights to restrict weapons, but would like to ensure that the legal requirements they are asking us to comply with are equally met on their end.

The posting of that letter and the reading of it in church meets two of the criteria of the law. Given that personal notification is on the list they are pretty much covered. Also the law only requires that they re-up with BCI annually not the public notice. Concealed carry within an LDS owned facility is not legal in the state of Utah. It is not likely that one would get charged, but until this is reversed I do not step foot in LDS builings or properties.

God disarming me falls under the "cold dead hands" statute, last I checked he could disarm me anytime he wants. So until he does it himself, no one, not even his messengers, will do it through any act of political subterfuge. Many of the people who worked on the UofU ban are LDS. There are people in that church abusing power. And if you are a follower of that church and are well read on the "revelations" about it you will discover that at some point it will need purging.

Not by me of course, I'm a hethan.

 

[mcosman]

Also the law only requires that they re-up with BCI annually not the public notice.

No, that's not how I understand it. It states that they notify BCI that they have made or revoked the public notice so BCI can post the church name on the web site. The public notice itself expires after one year.

By putting the words "Notice given in person" they are covered in any conceivable legal altercation. If you are standing in front of a judge and he asks if you knew the churches policy. You will have no legal ground to stand on. I have spoken with my local leaders. They have ensured me that the churches policy stand and that they stand by it. Therefore they have met condition one. It's a loophole and that's exactly why it is written that way.

 

[mcosman]

Also the Des news is owned by the church. The precence of that letter on their website could also be construed and continued public notice in a "church owned publication" In short the law is written in such a fashion that unless they change their policy carry is not allowed on their property.

 

[mcosman]

True, all they can really do in ask you to leave anyways. I can only see someone actually getting in trouble if they persistently defy the LDS wishes. Mostly this gives the Church law auit avoidance for makin the policy. What it also does is rolles out the UN-Welcome mat for me and my ilke.