Leaving your gun...

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jotamiller

Discussion Starter · Sep 3, 2007

The company I work for has a very strong policy against firearms. Upon entering the premise, we are required to go past a guard shack where we must verbally indicate we do not have a gun (or any other unauthorized items.) I will not jeopardize my employment by carrying a gun onto the premise (we are subject to random searches).

I can bring a gun to work, but I am required to leave it with the guard and retrieve it every day. The problem I have with that method is that everyone who sees me going into or out of work everyday will know that I carry, and I don't want that to become public knowledge. Also, if I need to stay later than the guard does (which happens at times) I would be unable to retrieve my firearm until the next day. So I currently leave my gun at home and carry when I get home from work.

What would you do in a similar situation? (Finding a new job is not currently an option for me.)

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apollosmith

· #2 · Sep 3, 2007

I'm assuming the very strict rules are in place for a reason, so making a formal request of management to lift the restrictions probably won't get you anywhere. At a minimum, I would request a more private mechanism for you to check your concealed weapon. A private locker would be most optimal - the guard wouldn't even be required to intervene.

If this gets you nowhere, you can either press the issue or just not carry. Depending on the situation, you can always inform your employer that because they have limited your ability to protect yourself to and from work, that if anything ever happens to you at this time that you and/or your loved ones can and will sue their pants off. 8)

blackpuma

· #3 · Sep 4, 2007

I've seen small safes for vehicles, but have never looked into them so I can't say how good an idea they are.

GeneticsDave

· #4 · Sep 4, 2007

Just a side note, I saw an episode of 24 and they had a GunVault behind the seat in a pickup truck. I assume it was mounted to the body, but I thought it was kind of cool to see a familiar safe on a popular TV show.

xmirage2kx

· #5 · Sep 4, 2007

Having worked as a security consultant and supervisor for many years I would NEVER trust my gun with a security guard. Most guards barely have the brains to tie a shoe or are serious LEO wanna-bees. The few that are intelligent and responsible are usually so board with their job they would be likely to â€˜playâ€™ with your gun. The odds are just too great for a mistake as 80%+ would not be responsible, and I wouldnâ€™t trust my gun in a situation where there was even a 5% chance of error, let alone 80%. Security has a 150% turnaround each year (aka: the average person only works security for 4 months), so even if you found one of the few great trustworthy people to hold your gun odds are he would be gone within a few weeks.
Get a gun safe mounted in your car or get a smart carry if you must carry to work. If a random search (not sure how legal it is for them to search your car, but thatâ€™s another story) shows a safe in your car you can always claim you donâ€™t have the code on you (and unless you carry the code on a piece of paper in your pocket this is true). You can also toss in a few coins, dollar bills, an old credit card or ID, and some family pictures so if asked what is in there you can tell them some cash, pictures, credit card, etc that you like to have with you in case of an emergency (which again would be completely honest).

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UTOC-45-44

· #6 · Sep 12, 2007

jotamiller said:
The company I work for has a very strong policy against firearms. Upon entering the premise, we are required to go past a guard shack where we must verbally indicate we do not have a gun (or any other unauthorized items.) I will not jeopardize my employment by carrying a gun onto the premise (we are subject to random searches).

I can bring a gun to work, but I am required to leave it with the guard and retrieve it every day. The problem I have with that method is that everyone who sees me going into or out of work everyday will know that I carry, and I don't want that to become public knowledge. Also, if I need to stay later than the guard does (which happens at times) I would be unable to retrieve my firearm until the next day. So I currently leave my gun at home and carry when I get home from work.

What would you do in a similar situation? (Finding a new job is not currently an option for me.)

I'd never leave it at Home. I'd more than likely put it in the trunk when I arrive at work. I would put it in a non-suspicious bag that I would place in the trunk before going in to work and when I get off work just very easily retrieve it from the trunk. Less of a possibility to be stolen etc

Cinhil

· #7 · Sep 12, 2007

Most guards barely have the brains to tie a shoe or are serious LEO wanna-bees.

I would like to point out that there are many guards who take their jobs quite seriously and work very hard at securing the places they are posted at. That said, I would also like to stress the fact that there are also Many officers who do have a badge who are seriously inept and egocentric, who do not deserve to be on the force, but whom somehow were able to know what answers to give on the psych test so they could make it through.

There are always good and bad in every type of profession. I will concur that I too, would rather trust my gun to myself than to someone whom I have no idea of their actual ability to know which end the bullet comes out of. :lol:

Hunter

· #8 · Sep 13, 2007

Cinhil said:
Most guards barely have the brains to tie a shoe or are serious LEO wanna-bees.

I would like to point out that there are many guards who take their jobs quite seriously and work very hard at securing the places they are posted at. That said, I would also like to stress the fact that there are also Many officers who do have a badge who are seriously inept and egocentric, who do not deserve to be on the force, but whom somehow were able to know what answers to give on the psych test so they could make it through.

There are always good and bad in every type of profession. I will concur that I too, would rather trust my gun to myself than to someone whom I have no idea of their actual ability to know which end the bullet comes out of. :lol:

Cinhil,
What exactly do you have against Police Officers? It just seems you are very critical of LEO's. Just so you know, Psych Tests are a complete joke, they are worthless.

Cinhil

· #9 · Sep 13, 2007

Cinhil,
What exactly do you have against Police Officers? It just seems you are very critical of LEO's. Just so you know, Psych Tests are a complete joke, they are worthless.

Nothing, so long as they themselves obey the laws they are there to uphold, so long as they do not harrass or impede innocent civilians from going about their daily routines, so long as they are not [email protected]@[email protected]@es.

That said, my father was an officer & also a SLC Deputy Constable. I had great faith in him & his abilities & I do respect officers. But I do give proper credit where it is due. This means when I see an officer violating their oath of office, or just down right being an impudent jerk I will call them on it every time. If they are going above or beyond the call of duty, or even just doing their duty I will call and notify their superiors of this too---which I have done many, many times over the years.

I do not hate police officers, I have some good friends on the SLC Police force whom I have great respect and confidence in. If you believe I have a colored attitude towards them you are welcome to look back at all my postings here, and I would say at packing.org (but that sight is now defunct), I am sure you will find I have been fair, honest, and at times educational about our police in this valley.

Also, as stated by me Psych tests are a complete joke and are completely worthless, thus the reason I mentioned them.

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sedjester

· #10 · Sep 28, 2007

UTOC-45-44 said:
I'd never leave it at Home. I'd more than likely put it in the trunk when I arrive at work. I would put it in a non-suspicious bag that I would place in the trunk before going in to work and when I get off work just very easily retrieve it from the trunk. Less of a possibility to be stolen etc

The trunk on my car can be made to open only from my normal key (I have a valet key that will not open the trunk) by turning the lock to the left. This means that if somebody breaks into my car they cannot use the trunk release by the driver door to pop the trunk. Also the mechanism to move the back seat forward is inside the trunk.

Of course somebody could always cut the back seat or pry the trunk open with a crowbar but that would hopefully get enough attention to attract the police/security/etc.

I do want to get a safe for my trunk that I can bolt to the frame of the car. Anyone have any opinions of which ones would work good for use in the trunk?

Tarzan1888

· #11 · Sep 28, 2007

jotamiller said:
The company I work for has a very strong policy against firearms. Upon entering the premise, we are required to go past a guard shack where we must verbally indicate we do not have a gun (or any other unauthorized items.) I will not jeopardize my employment by carrying a gun onto the premise (we are subject to random searches).

I can bring a gun to work, but I am required to leave it with the guard and retrieve it every day. The problem I have with that method is that everyone who sees me going into or out of work everyday will know that I carry, and I don't want that to become public knowledge. Also, if I need to stay later than the guard does (which happens at times) I would be unable to retrieve my firearm until the next day. So I currently leave my gun at home and carry when I get home from work.

What would you do in a similar situation? (Finding a new job is not currently an option for me.)

I guess you have to be Smart when you Carry, don't you. :wink:

XD_EE

· #12 · Sep 29, 2007

Is this <company> procedure or is it required by the Federal Goverment to be a DOD contractor?

Jeff Johnson

· #13 · Sep 29, 2007

sedjester said:
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I do want to get a safe for my trunk that I can bolt to the frame of the car. Anyone have any opinions of which ones would work good for use in the trunk?

The GunVaults that we've mentioned above would work very nicely for that. They can be bolted in place.

G

· #14 · Oct 5, 2007

jotamiller said:
The company I work for has a very strong policy against firearms. Upon entering the premise, we are required to go past a guard shack where we must verbally indicate we do not have a gun (or any other unauthorized items.) I will not jeopardize my employment by carrying a gun onto the premise (we are subject to random searches).

Dude, find another job.

althor

· #15 · Oct 11, 2007

Tremonton? How close is that to ATK?

I had to go there for work once and didn't know about their policy. No firearms, lighters, matches, and maybe flint and steel for all I know. I had to turn over a pistol, lighter, two cameras and some other thing I can't think of. I did get a look from the two guards at the shack, but they were a private company that had recently taken over security for ATK the previous week (or so I was led to believe), and were relatively new at the site.

Of course they're worried about touching off all that rocket propellant, explosives and what not. I think that if I worked there I'd just leave my gun home if I couldn't park before the guard shack.

I think ATK pretty much qualifies as a secure area.

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