[T-Man]

This is insanity. LINK :shocked:

 

[apollosmith]

Insanity is right! It is disturbing how out of control the ATF and the federal government are getting.

The short version of the story for those that don't watch the video:
A man (a 16 year Army veteran and law abiding father) lends a perfectly legal AR-15 to a friend. The friend goes to the range and shoots it a bunch. Then the gun somehow misfires and shoots two bullets with one trigger pull. It does this twice. The ATF then kicks in the door of the owner and takes all his stuff. They find nothing illegal, but he is still charged with transferring a machine gun, is convicted, and is now facing prison time because of a malfunction (probably just a sticky firing pin) in a 9 year old gun.

CRAZY!

 

[Cinhil]

BATFE = Gestapo

They are insanely idiotic, out of control, usurp power, egregiously violate the
rights of lawful gun owners and blackmail, lie (on the witness stand no less)
and steal for their own benefit. They have no honor, no respect, and even less of a right to be in existence than you or I.

Can we see Gestapo here? Do we see Soviet Secret police here? We might as well. There are too many jack booted thugs out there attempting to disarm the law abiding citizen and harassing them at every turn!

 

[mom of 3 angels]

Wow, are there really so few real criminals that the BATFE has the time and desire to go after guys like this? This is very disturbing.

 

[justintime]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politi ... part.2.cnn

found this one as well..
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2000225/posts

 

[mchlwise]

A man (a 16 year Army veteran and law abiding father) lends a perfectly legal AR-15 to a friend. The friend goes to the range and shoots it a bunch. Then the gun somehow misfires and shoots two bullets with one trigger pull. It does this twice. The ATF then kicks in the door of the owner and takes all his stuff. They find nothing illegal, but he is still charged with transferring a machine gun, is convicted, and is now facing prison time because of a malfunction (probably just a sticky firing pin) in a 9 year old gun.

I'm not convinced that's an accurate representation of the story after reading these documents which were posted on AR15 by the defendant (Olafson) himself (especially the 3rd and 4th pages) (his friend is Kiernicki):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/c ... aint_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/c ... aint_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/c ... aint_3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/c ... aint_4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/c ... aint_5.jpg

:shock:

Don't get my wrong, I don't want any gun owners rights infringed on, and I'm certainly not "pro-government" or going to support a bunch of thugs setting some guy up just because they don't like him.

BUT...

I DO think we need all the facts before we get too excited about anything. Now, obviously, this is the government's side of the story, but I have a hard time reconciling their tests with the rifle simply "malfunctioning".

 

[apollosmith]

Thanks mchlwise. Yes, that information DEFINITELY changes things. From that it information, it's much more understandable why the guy was convicted.

The documents state:

- The rifle had been modified to be fully automatic.

- ATF was able to fire an entire magazine in full auto.

- He was acting as a firearms dealer without a license (thus the raid and seizure of his property) and was then found to be using someone else's FFL license number.

As is usually the case, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. It all seems pretty messed up. I think the guy's first mistake was living in Wisconsin (BTW, why is that place so anti-gun?).

54 pages of details and discussion at http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=507483

 

[Udink]

Shh . . . don't tell the ATF, but I have . . . er . . . a friend of mine has a 16-gauge double-barrel shotgun that sometimes lets loose both barrels with a single trigger pull. :shock:

 

[Dustin WJ]

Ridiculous!!! :bang:

What is wrong with these agents?!?

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Of course, this begs the question of where did the Federal Government find the authority to make civilian ownership of select-fire weapons illegal?

I believe that such laws are absolutely unconstitutional. I want to see them overturned, beginning with NFA'34.

 

[tap-rack-bang]

Of course, this begs the question of where did the Federal Government find the authority to make civilian ownership of select-fire weapons illegal?

I believe that such laws are absolutely unconstitutional. I want to see them overturned, beginning with NFA'34.

Amen