Use the Multi-State Permit Generator over on USA Carry and you will see that Utah is the only permit you need. There are a number of states that don't issue permits to out of state residents, so you just can't get more than one of those permits. Other states that do issue to out of state residents, don't give you any more reciprocity than you already have - so you would have to get Utah's permit then pay for each additional state. That would only seem financially sound to me if you frequented that state often. Otherwise, you will see that Utah is by far the best permit to have.
Maximum permit coverage, fewest certifications?
I have been wondering this for some time, but I'm having trouble finding the answer. If I wanted to be certified to carry in all 48 states (that's the max number for cc right now, right?) with the least amount of permits, which permits would I seek? I know with the Utah permit I have somewhere around 38-40 states in which I can carry, right? Do any of you know which states' permits would give me the most bang for my buck to get up to that 50 threshold with as few certifications as possible? Thanks!
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I've wondered about this, and your question prompted me to do some research, with the help of the "Create License Map" tool from handgunlaw.us.
The first obstacle is the states that don't honor Utah's permit and only honor resident permits from other states. For those, you have to get a non-resident permit from each state. They are: KA, SC and WV. Except that KS and WV don't issue non-resident permits, so you can't get them. So gotta get SC.
Another obstacle is the states that don't honor anyone else's permits: CA, CT, DC, HI, IA, MA, MD, ME, NE, NJ, NY, OR and RI. So, to carry in those states you have to have a permit from each. Except that CA, DC, HI, NE and NY don't issue non-resident permits. OR only issues them to residents of WA, CA, ID and NV, so you can't get that one. You can get CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ and RI.
That just leaves us with the states that do honor someone's non-resident permit, but not Utah's resident permit. Unless I made a mistake looking at the maps, there are no states in this category.
So, for a Utah resident to maximize CC permit coverage, you need: UT, CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ, RI and SC. With possession of these permits, you can carry in all but CA, DC, HI, IL, KS, NE, NY, OR, WI and WV. Nine states plus DC.
According to handgunlaw.us (where all of this information came from):
CT is very close to "shall issue". Easy and can be done by mail.
IA is easy, but you'll need proof of a training program including a firing range component.
MA is easy, but requires a course from an MA certified instructor and must be renewed annally.
MD is nearly impossible to get. You have to show cause, with supporting documentation (police reports).
ME is easy and can be obtained by mail.
NJ is very difficult. You have to show cause, and they'll still say no.
RI isn't difficult, but requires that you show cause.
SC isn't difficult, but requires owning real estate in SC.
So, throwing out the ones that require showing cause or buying real estate, you should probably get UT, CT, IA, MA, ME, which will allow you to carry in 37 states. You might be able to get RI and SC permits to make that 39.
As Dave pointed out, though, each of those additional 4-6 permits only gives you coverage of the issuing state, so it's really not worth the effort unless you know you're going to be in that state.
The first obstacle is the states that don't honor Utah's permit and only honor resident permits from other states. For those, you have to get a non-resident permit from each state. They are: KA, SC and WV. Except that KS and WV don't issue non-resident permits, so you can't get them. So gotta get SC.
Another obstacle is the states that don't honor anyone else's permits: CA, CT, DC, HI, IA, MA, MD, ME, NE, NJ, NY, OR and RI. So, to carry in those states you have to have a permit from each. Except that CA, DC, HI, NE and NY don't issue non-resident permits. OR only issues them to residents of WA, CA, ID and NV, so you can't get that one. You can get CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ and RI.
That just leaves us with the states that do honor someone's non-resident permit, but not Utah's resident permit. Unless I made a mistake looking at the maps, there are no states in this category.
So, for a Utah resident to maximize CC permit coverage, you need: UT, CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ, RI and SC. With possession of these permits, you can carry in all but CA, DC, HI, IL, KS, NE, NY, OR, WI and WV. Nine states plus DC.
According to handgunlaw.us (where all of this information came from):
CT is very close to "shall issue". Easy and can be done by mail.
IA is easy, but you'll need proof of a training program including a firing range component.
MA is easy, but requires a course from an MA certified instructor and must be renewed annally.
MD is nearly impossible to get. You have to show cause, with supporting documentation (police reports).
ME is easy and can be obtained by mail.
NJ is very difficult. You have to show cause, and they'll still say no.
RI isn't difficult, but requires that you show cause.
SC isn't difficult, but requires owning real estate in SC.
So, throwing out the ones that require showing cause or buying real estate, you should probably get UT, CT, IA, MA, ME, which will allow you to carry in 37 states. You might be able to get RI and SC permits to make that 39.
As Dave pointed out, though, each of those additional 4-6 permits only gives you coverage of the issuing state, so it's really not worth the effort unless you know you're going to be in that state.
I was going to type everything that swillden did, but... well, I just didn't want to 
Like he said, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Look at what the Utah permit gives you, then cross check that against your needs. If you just want to say you can carry in a lot of states, but won't ever do so, I don't think it's worth your time, energy, effort or money to obtain permits for the other states mentioned. Besides, having lots of permits means you need to know the laws for all those states as well, more to know and mix up in my opinion. Only get the permits you will actually use, there, I said it.
Like he said, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Look at what the Utah permit gives you, then cross check that against your needs. If you just want to say you can carry in a lot of states, but won't ever do so, I don't think it's worth your time, energy, effort or money to obtain permits for the other states mentioned. Besides, having lots of permits means you need to know the laws for all those states as well, more to know and mix up in my opinion. Only get the permits you will actually use, there, I said it.
Wow, thanks. That was exactly what I was AFRAID of doing myself. Buy you made it look easy.swillden said:I've wondered about this, and your question prompted me to do some research, with the help of the "Create License Map" tool from handgunlaw.us.
The first obstacle is the states that don't honor Utah's permit and only honor resident permits from other states. For those, you have to get a non-resident permit from each state. They are: KA, SC and WV. Except that KS and WV don't issue non-resident permits, so you can't get them. So gotta get SC.
Another obstacle is the states that don't honor anyone else's permits: CA, CT, DC, HI, IA, MA, MD, ME, NE, NJ, NY, OR and RI. So, to carry in those states you have to have a permit from each. Except that CA, DC, HI, NE and NY don't issue non-resident permits. OR only issues them to residents of WA, CA, ID and NV, so you can't get that one. You can get CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ and RI.
That just leaves us with the states that do honor someone's non-resident permit, but not Utah's resident permit. Unless I made a mistake looking at the maps, there are no states in this category.
So, for a Utah resident to maximize CC permit coverage, you need: UT, CT, IA, MA, MD, ME, NJ, RI and SC. With possession of these permits, you can carry in all but CA, DC, HI, IL, KS, NE, NY, OR, WI and WV. Nine states plus DC.
According to handgunlaw.us (where all of this information came from):
CT is very close to "shall issue". Easy and can be done by mail.
IA is easy, but you'll need proof of a training program including a firing range component.
MA is easy, but requires a course from an MA certified instructor and must be renewed annally.
MD is nearly impossible to get. You have to show cause, with supporting documentation (police reports).
ME is easy and can be obtained by mail.
NJ is very difficult. You have to show cause, and they'll still say no.
RI isn't difficult, but requires that you show cause.
SC isn't difficult, but requires owning real estate in SC.
So, throwing out the ones that require showing cause or buying real estate, you should probably get UT, CT, IA, MA, ME, which will allow you to carry in 37 states. You might be able to get RI and SC permits to make that 39.
As Dave pointed out, though, each of those additional 4-6 permits only gives you coverage of the issuing state, so it's really not worth the effort unless you know you're going to be in that state.
I don't know why, but I was under the impression that we Utahn's were covered in more than 33 states. I was thinking there were closer to 40. Oh well, now I know.
That's really cool. I was looking for something along these lines. (I can read, but why waste the ocular effort when there are pictures?)GeneticsDave said:Use the Multi-State Permit Generator over on USA Carry and you will see that Utah is the only permit you need. Otherwise, you will see that Utah is by far the best permit to have.
GeneticsDave said:If you just want to say you can carry in a lot of states, but won't ever do so, I don't think it's worth your time, energy, effort or money to obtain permits for the other states mentioned.
These are the ones I'm concerned with. I plan to go back east this year with my wife, and I would love to be able to carry, as my permit should arrive by then (if my 8 aggravated felonies don't ping on my BG check). We're specifically interested in Boston and New York, but also considering North Carolina. As you can see, there would be a lot of non-carry moments. No fun. So I was just wondering if there was possibly an "East Coast" version of the broad Utah permit. But alas, you guys have come to the rescue and told me what I have always dreamed of hearing someday:
NO.
Oh well. Maybe it's off to MA to get myself dun certified.
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The east coast equivalent of UT is TN with KY and NC being close seconds. WA is difficult to get reciprocity (or mutual recognition) with as they are strict about the mental health check requirement. WA has also failed to get reciprocity or recognition with many States because they do not have a statutory training requirement. TN does issue to non-residents providing you are employed in TN 30 hours or more per week. NC and KY do not issue to non-residents. In NC, the county sheriff certifies instructors much like NV does. In KY and TN, the respective State certifies instructors.
The broad coverage bene of having a non-resident equivalent of UT only apply if you reside in the issuing jurisdiction. Even if I had a non-resident TN, it wouldn't do me any good for CO, FL, KS, NH, SC and WV as they only honor CCWs issued to residents of the issuing jurisdiction.
CT is very easy to obtain. However, there's some issues going on with CT SP and the BPFE so expect them to go beyond the 60 day issuance window. ME is easy to obtain as well. I have both.
It's also good if you travel and live in a we honor all State to have a little bit of redundancy. NH is cheap to obtain. The most feasible easiest to obtain combination for Utahns would be CT, ME, NH and UT. Also keep in mind that with the current KS law, a Utahn will never be able legally CCW in KS because there's a statutory life fire requirement or you get a more 2A friendly AG in KS that will allow non-resident CCWs to be recognized. UT DPS does not require live fire qualification to be part of the UT CFP instruction which is the exception rather than the norm for States with a training requirement.
The broad coverage bene of having a non-resident equivalent of UT only apply if you reside in the issuing jurisdiction. Even if I had a non-resident TN, it wouldn't do me any good for CO, FL, KS, NH, SC and WV as they only honor CCWs issued to residents of the issuing jurisdiction.
CT is very easy to obtain. However, there's some issues going on with CT SP and the BPFE so expect them to go beyond the 60 day issuance window. ME is easy to obtain as well. I have both.
It's also good if you travel and live in a we honor all State to have a little bit of redundancy. NH is cheap to obtain. The most feasible easiest to obtain combination for Utahns would be CT, ME, NH and UT. Also keep in mind that with the current KS law, a Utahn will never be able legally CCW in KS because there's a statutory life fire requirement or you get a more 2A friendly AG in KS that will allow non-resident CCWs to be recognized. UT DPS does not require live fire qualification to be part of the UT CFP instruction which is the exception rather than the norm for States with a training requirement.
The czarchasm is strong in this one. :raisedbrow:macwise said:... and told me what I have always dreamed of hearing someday:
NO.
:lolbang:
This link might help you decide which states you want permits from. Just click on any state and you'll see which other states reciprocate them.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Please be aware that to even possess a gun in some of those states, let alone carry it requires a permit.macwise said:...
Oh well. Maybe it's off to MA to get myself dun certified.
People have been arrested and tossed into jail, and their guns were confiscated, just for inadvertently crossing into New York state or Massachusetts.
From all I've heard and read, it is not that easy to get a permit to carry in NY or MA, among others.
According to posters on the MA forum of OCDO, and handgunlaw.us's document on non-resident permits, MA is pretty easy. It's a pain because it's a lot of paperwork and has to be renewed annually, and they've recently added a requirement that you have to take a class from an MA-certified instructor, but if you're willing to walk through the process you're almost certain to get the permit.Jeff Johnson said:Please be aware that to even possess a gun in some of those states, let alone carry it requires a permit.macwise said:...
Oh well. Maybe it's off to MA to get myself dun certified.
People have been arrested and tossed into jail, and their guns were confiscated, just for inadvertently crossing into New York state or Massachusetts.
From all I've heard and read, it is not that easy to get a permit to carry in NY or MA, among others.
NY apparently doesn't issue non-resident permits.
Just drive to FL and tell your wife you are really in NY, or better yet stay west of the mississippiThese are the ones I'm concerned with. I plan to go back east this year with my wife, and I would love to be able to carry, as my permit should arrive by then (if my 8 aggravated felonies don't ping on my BG check). We're specifically interested in Boston and New York, but also considering North Carolina. As you can see, there would be a lot of non-carry moments. No fun. So I was just wondering if there was possibly an "East Coast" version of the broad Utah permit. But alas, you guys have come to the rescue and told me what I have always dreamed of hearing someday:
It IS possible to get an oregon permit if you apply in one of the eastern counties or have family there, they are not required to give you one unless you live in a bordering state and have business in oregon.swillden said:I've OR only issues them to residents of WA, CA, ID and NV, so you can't get that one. .
"Maximum permit coverage, fewest certifications?"
I have two questions;
1) Who knows if you are carrying as long as it is concealed?
2) When it comes to coverage, who cares? (See question #1)
Tarzan
PS IANAL and noting in any of my posts should be construed in any way such that it could be interpreted as advice to break any laws, legal and lawful or not. :jawdrop:
I have two questions;
1) Who knows if you are carrying as long as it is concealed?
2) When it comes to coverage, who cares? (See question #1)
Tarzan
PS IANAL and noting in any of my posts should be construed in any way such that it could be interpreted as advice to break any laws, legal and lawful or not. :jawdrop:
Not for me. The consequences of somehow getting caught carrying a concealed weapon are way too severe for me to consider it, and the odds of getting caught outweigh the odds of needing a gun for self-defense, at least for my lifestyle.Tarzan1888 said:"Maximum permit coverage, fewest certifications?"
I have two questions;
1) Who knows if you are carrying as long as it is concealed?
2) When it comes to coverage, who cares? (See question #1)
I respect that.swillden said:Not for me. The consequences of somehow getting caught carrying a concealed weapon are way too severe for me to consider it, and the odds of getting caught outweigh the odds of needing a gun for self-defense, at least for my lifestyle.
TarzanTarzan1888 said:Not for me. The consequences of me or someone I love somehow getting shot because I wasn't carrying a concealed weapon are way too severe for me to consider it, and the odds of getting caught, as long as I make sure that it is concealed, are so slim, and the knowledge that my wife and children have already Been the victim of acts of violence outweigh the odds of me being caught and make the need of a gun for self-defense paramount, at least for my lifestyle)
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