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So, I was looking around today to see what I want for my birthday, and had to deal with 2 morons.

I went to a pawn shop, where I know the owner. As I was looking at the movies they had for sale, I went into condition white, oops.

The owner of the pawn shop walked up and touched the grips of my XD.
I didn't know who it was until he was on the ground, I then helped him up and gave him a good talking to, and made sure that he understood that that kind of crap could get somebody hurt.

But he was "only joking!" Sheesh.

Then I went to Cabela's, and there was a guy in a green shirt, looked pretty gangsta to me. Anyway, he was at the rack of used guns looking at shotguns and he was on my weak side.

While he was looking at the shotguns, he kept opening the breech on the pump action shotguns, then grabbing them by the forearm only and closing the breech by moving the shotgun in a violent downward motion, then he would raise it to his shoulder and point it directly at me.

When he picked up a particularly long one, he nearly hit me in the head with it as he raised it to his shoulder. So I grabbed the muzzle of the gun and pushed it toward the ground and asked him politely not to point them at me.

He said "what?" And I repeated myself and added that it was bad to point guns at people. He says "I know how to handle a f'ing gun!"

I said "Obviously not, and there's no need to swear."

He says "I'll f'ing swear as much as I f'ing want! What are you gonna do about it?"

I say "I'm not trying to start anything here, but you almost hit me in the head with that one."

He says "How 'bout I hit you over the f'ing head with it?"

At this point he takes a step toward me, and I turn toward him and ready myself to block a swing, and he sees my XD.

He says "Whoa man! I don't want any trouble!"

He then leaves in a hurry. Of course at that range I wasn't going to draw if he attacked me, too close you know.

I'm glad it didn't happen any worse.

Morons.
 

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Sounds like you did have a fun day. And yes some people are not too bright. And I have noticed a lot of folks now a days lack any up bring or manners.
 

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Had I been an employee there I would 1) not have sold him anything had I witnessed this. I would also have either escorted him out or had assistance to do so. 2) Had I been a regular Joe in there I may have stepped in for you. This persons behavior and demeanor need some very quick "attitude" adjustments or he may find himself face down in the gutter for being a complete loser.

As for your friend at the pawn shop. After things cool a tad it might behoove you to go in and have a frank discussion with him and educate him a bit more. Anyone who thinks its okay to tamper with, or extract someone else's gun, even a officer who has not identified his/her intent (and even if they did) may find themselves either hurt, or you may be hurt by their stupidity. Its not something at this point which could lose a friendship however, it may solidify it. You could even invite him to the range as long as he follows the (your) rules and learns properly how to use and handle a weapon. It is a great responsibility and it would be a shame if it were wasted and something more serious happened down the road.
 

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Wow, I know how you feel. Looks like you handled it well.

Pawn shops seem to draw morons. I was shopping for an AR a few months ago and while looking at a couple a cutomer had just laid his on the counter and I had just handed the one I was looking at to the clerk when a guy that was with the other customer said mine is just like this one but..... as he picked up the one lying on the counter and swung it toward me, as the muzzle started to come across my chest I grabbed the end of the barrel and jerked it toward the ceiling with my left hand as my right hand grabbed the grip of my pistol, he immediatley said "sorry" and I let go of the gun and he put it back on the counter. Up to starting to draw was all muscle memory then the brain kicked in and I stopped my draw, I told the clerk that I wanted to draw and point the gun right in his face to make a point but had to resist the temptation. I told the manager that they ought to post a big sign with the 3 top safety rules.
 

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I think you handled the situation well to, stayed calm and in control. I have often thought about what I would do if someone grabbed at my gun….elbow in the gut then a quick fist to the face is my plan :nilly: But personally if I saw someone pointing a gun at me “on purpose” like that punk did, I think I would have drawn….or at least put my hand on the grip and take a defensive posture. Every gun is a loaded gun, especially one that you’re not holding!! I have had employees of gun stores (inadvertently) point hand guns at me…..every time it makes me uncomfortable. Some people just don’t think.
 

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My technique for a gun grab is a little more aggressive. This is the explanation I posted on Opencarry.org.

Sort of a throw, you grab the opposition's wrist with the hand on the opposite side of your gun, placing your thumb on the back of their thumb, and your fingers in the palm of their hands, if possible. Then you peel the hand off, with extreme prejudice.

You then twist the hand outwards and upwards while bringing your close arm underneath their elbow, pulling up and in on the elbow while pulling down and pushing out on the hand.

You then place your foot in front of their foot and twist away from the opposition.

If done properly and very violently, the opposition will be on their back on the ground, and you will still have wrist control, you then place their arm between your legs, and kneel down on their neck. With your knee on their neck, you squeeze their arm with your legs and use your hands to make sure they don't attack with their free arm.

This is all one quick smooth violent motion. Effective, but takes lots of practice.

Anyway, you should have seen the look on his face, it was like
:shocked: I SHOULDN'T A DONE THAT!
 

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Oh, and today was a little similar.

So I was heading to the doctor's office, for a little check up for my daughter.

Anyway, I was turning right to go towards AF at the intersection by the roller mills, For those who don't know, there are two lanes there so people can turn left and right at the same time.

So, I turn right, and another car turns left, and he cuts me off. I don't think anything of it, but the other car stops in the middle of the lane suddenly, and I drive around him.

He starts following me, and the next light is red, he starts to get out of his car, and I pulled up beside the car in front of me, so he can't get to me. Unfortunately I couldn't turn right, on ramp.

So the light turns green, and the guy is still following me, so I start to think Ok, so how do I make it so this doesn't go too far?

So I decide that I should go somewhere with a lot of people, so I pulled into the Wal-mart parking lot. He realized what I was doing I think, and left.

You know, if anything happened there were lots of witnesses.

I'm glad that was it, but it scared the crap out of my wife.

On the brighter side of things, I got a new gun!


1851 Navy Civilian Model .44 cal.
 

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I don't know why (I am really a big teddy bear) but nobody ever pulls that kind of stuff with me.

My wife says it cause I'm 6' 4" 210 lb and have a mean look in my eye.....BUT i'm sure that can't be it. :dunno:

Tarzan
 

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burninator said:
Tarzan1888 said:
Following my Junior year in High School...
I was waiting for a gun to figure into this story at some point...:D Thank goodness one wasn't needed!

--Geoff
There is a gun in the story......I took my .22 with me on my way to Colorado.

Tarzan
 
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