I think you are good to go, I believe it's on BLM land. :shades:
National Recreation Areas?
Does anyone know if a valid permit holder can carry in a National Recreation Area (i.e. Lake Powell)? I know that National Parks are off limits, but I'm unclear on places like Lake Powell.
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I'm not so sure about that. I believe that Lake Powell is part of the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, which is administered by the National Park Service.
Does anybody else have further insight to this?
Now that this has been brought up, have you all written to comment on the Proposed Rule Change that would allow us to carry in National Parks, consistent with state law? I have done so, I urge everybody else to do so as well.
Does anybody else have further insight to this?
Now that this has been brought up, have you all written to comment on the Proposed Rule Change that would allow us to carry in National Parks, consistent with state law? I have done so, I urge everybody else to do so as well.
I haven't been able to find much. I have found a few references saying that hunting is allowed in Glen Canyon (according to state regulations). My understanding is that no hunting is allowed in national parks, so it doesn't seem to follow park rules.Jeff Johnson said:I'm not so sure about that. I believe that Lake Powell is part of the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, which is administered by the National Park Service.
Does anybody else have further insight to this?
I did find this which says that firearms are prohibited (except for legal hunting), but who knows if that's accurate? It's very common for such web sites to state restrictions that exceed the law.
I believe hunting is allowed in some of the Alaskan National Parks. I was researching firearms and parks a couple of years ago and ran across these few exceptions.My understanding is that no hunting is allowed in national parks
I've added my comments on the proposed rule change for national parks, but as of yet still haven't been able to find anything related to areas such as Lake Powell. I'll let you guys know if I find anything.
I worked at Halls Crossing, Lake Powell for a summer . I lived with my grandfather who was employed by the NPS as were the the local law enforcement. If you wanted to shoot you had to go about 10 miles away to get to BLM land... and supposedly you had to have any firearm disassembled, cased, whatever, just like National Parks. But until reading this thread I never really made the distinction between recreation areas and parks. It looks like I've got a bit of studying to do.
From the gov web site: "Glen Canyon National Recreation Area is managed much like any other national park site. For the most part, the same management policies, regulations, and laws apply at Glen Canyon as all other national park areas."
From the Glen Canyon 'local rules and regulations':
"Weapons: The following areas are closed to all shooting, hunting, and the possession of loaded weapons for reasons of public safety: Antelope Island All designated Developed Areas. Within ¼ mile of Dangling Rope Marina, including all structures, docks, breakwaters, and other man-made structures. All lands west of Antelope Canyon within Glen Canyon NRA that lie south of Lake Powell or the Colorado River. The area 1/2 mile on either side of Highway 95 at Hite and Highway 276 as they pass through Glen Canyon NRA. Within 1/4 mile of the Lees Ferry Public Launch Ramp courtesy dock. Within 1/4 mile of all existing developed shoreline campgrounds/sites and trailheads. Within the Lees Ferry Corridor the use of rifles is prohibited with the exception of licensed permitted hunting of big horn sheep. Within 1/4 mile of any structure. A "structure" is defined as, but not limited to: any building, shed, outhouse, pumpout, boat dock, breakwater, permanent harbor fixture, camper, motorhome, trailer, tent, or vehicle. -- Rainbow Bridge NM"
Nick
From the Glen Canyon 'local rules and regulations':
"Weapons: The following areas are closed to all shooting, hunting, and the possession of loaded weapons for reasons of public safety: Antelope Island All designated Developed Areas. Within ¼ mile of Dangling Rope Marina, including all structures, docks, breakwaters, and other man-made structures. All lands west of Antelope Canyon within Glen Canyon NRA that lie south of Lake Powell or the Colorado River. The area 1/2 mile on either side of Highway 95 at Hite and Highway 276 as they pass through Glen Canyon NRA. Within 1/4 mile of the Lees Ferry Public Launch Ramp courtesy dock. Within 1/4 mile of all existing developed shoreline campgrounds/sites and trailheads. Within the Lees Ferry Corridor the use of rifles is prohibited with the exception of licensed permitted hunting of big horn sheep. Within 1/4 mile of any structure. A "structure" is defined as, but not limited to: any building, shed, outhouse, pumpout, boat dock, breakwater, permanent harbor fixture, camper, motorhome, trailer, tent, or vehicle. -- Rainbow Bridge NM"
Nick
Oh, one comment on this:Jeff Johnson said:Now that this has been brought up, have you all written to comment on the Proposed Rule Change that would allow us to carry in National Parks, consistent with state law? I have done so, I urge everybody else to do so as well.
At first I liked the proposed rule change, but the discussion over on opencarry.org changed my mind. Not only does the proposed rule disallow OC -- and I can't imagine having to CC while I'm out hiking around the canyons -- but it's also complicated and dangerously vague in places.
The Virginia Citizens Defense League sent a great comment recommending that instead of the proposed rule, the USDA rule that is applied to National Forests be adopted, verbatim. Not only is the rule very simple and clear, it has also stood the test of time, having been in place since the 30's. The park rule suggested by the VCDL, based on the USDA rule is:
Compare that brief, simple paragraph to the proposed rule.A person may possess, carry, and transport loaded, and operable firearms or other weapons within a national park area in the same manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully possess, carry, and transport loaded and operable firearms or other weapons in the state in which the federal park, or that portion thereof, is located, provided that such possession, carrying and transporting otherwise complies with applicable federal and state law.
Thanks Nick! That's great information. Now we just need to get the rules changed. 
I sent a letter suggesting some language that better suited the way I carry.
Tarzan
Tarzan
Sent mine in also, but did suggest open carry.
Sorry. I think I'm to blame for the :hijack:
Let's get this thread back on topic, i.e. Lake Powell.
Please post about commenting on the proposed rule change here.
Thanks.
Let's get this thread back on topic, i.e. Lake Powell.
Please post about commenting on the proposed rule change here.
Thanks.
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