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Hi all. I frequent some 1911 forums and MarshallDodge invited me over. He seems like a nice guy; either interested in Brittish guitar amps and semi-American made trucks, or the old West. Either way, I am glad for the invite, looks like a great site. I look forward to wasting much of my employer's time here. :lol2:

I have had a CCP for 6 years, and excersize it daily. I carry a bob-tailed Commander size 1911 IWB 90% of the time, and I use a little mouse gun for the short trips to the home depot, etc..

I enjoy 1911's, pistol training classes, target shooting, camping, Jiu Jitsu/MMA, and I am loving being a Father to my soon to be 2 year old girl.

I am a Mortgage Broker by trade, and in addition to my usual stellar service, I offer wholesale interest rates and origination discounts to forum members.

Looking forward to meeting some of you and learning here.
 

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Welcome, Welcome.

This is a good group and I must say, contrary to what you may have heard, half of the people here, are NOT old sore heads.

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Tarzan1888 said:
Welcome, Welcome.

This is a good group and I must say, contrary to what you may have heard, half of the people here, are NOT old sore heads.

Tarzan
...Better odds than I get out west. I'll take it.
 

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...and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am a fellow 1911 nut, although I do have a couple black guns, the 1911 works for me. I have resisted the temptation for a wheel gun for now.

Take care~
 

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...and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am a fellow 1911 nut, although I do have a couple black guns, the 1911 works for me. I have resisted the temptation for a wheel gun for now.

Take care~
I resisted getting a wheel gun too, for a long time. Then my wife wanted a gun that she could handle and keep in the bedroom while I was away on trips.

I did a lot of research and ended up deciding on a .357 Magnum Snubby. That way I would load it in .38 Special for her and if I ever wanted to shoot some .357 Magnum rounds I could.

I went looking for a good used S&W or Ruger. I ran across the Taurus and its fit and finish was as good or better than the Ruger's or the S&W's and it has an extra round, was Stainless and cheaper by over $100 than a comparable S&W or Ruger. I bought it and the darkness started to descend around me and slowly I began to be seduced by the dark side..........

Just kidding. I love the gun and I now carry it almost half of the time.
Below are a picture of my guns...(Not my actual guns, but a representation of them)

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Thanks for joining us! Please make yourself at home and let us know if you have any questions. I saw that you l like camping, we are having a campout this weekend if you are interested.
 

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:welcome:

We're glad to have you, even if you haven't figured out that firearms technology has progressed in the last 100 years. ;)

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:welcome:
Thanks for joining us! Please make yourself at home and let us know if you have any questions. I saw that you l like camping, we are having a campout this weekend if you are interested.
Thanks Dave, I was just reading about the camping trip. It is cool there are organized events like this.

I also read you re-load 45 ACP, so I will have a couple questions....

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swillden said:
:welcome:

We're glad to have you, even if you haven't figured out that firearms technology has progressed in the last 100 years. ;)

:lol3: :lol3:
Hey, it's only been 97 years!! :lol3: And, some things you just can't improve much upon. Like electricity, the wheel, air, the 1911, etc.. Depriving yourself of a 1911 is masochism, my friend. Deny this, I dares ya!...



I have an XD45 too, guess which one gets the range time? :wink:

Thanks for the welcome, Swillden!
 

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Welcome to the site. I also carry a full size 1911, Taurus pt1911. There are a few here that do. Some also reload. So fell free ask any questions, someone here will know are we can fake it real good :lol2:
 

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GeneticsDave said:
:welcome:
Thanks for joining us! Please make yourself at home and let us know if you have any questions. I saw that you l like camping, we are having a campout this weekend if you are interested.
Thanks Dave, I was just reading about the camping trip. It is cool there are organized events like this.

I also read you re-load 45 ACP, so I will have a couple questions....

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Just a warning, I'm a :noob: at reloading, but I would love to discuss it with you. I'm trying to get Jeff or Thomas and the other mods to approve a reloading subforum so we can chat about this stuff...
 

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Welcome! I don't have a 1911 yet, but I can appreciate a good looking gun when I see one. Glad to see someone else using their valuable time at the office for some "productive" work. :D
 

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moyler said:
Hi all. I frequent some 1911 forums and MarshallDodge invited me over. He seems like a nice guy; either interested in Brittish guitar amps and semi-American made trucks, or the old West. Either way, I am glad for the invite, looks like a great site. I look forward to wasting much of my employer's time here. :lol2:
Welcome moyler, glad to have another 1911 fan over here to back me up. :wink:
Nice LB by the way.

I have not been here long but it seems most of the arguments are about Glock vs XD.

Good guesses on my name. It came from back when I started Cowboy Action shooting. I had just bought my Dodge truck (Made in Mexico, owned by Germans, now owned by a US company. :roll: ) when the idea came to me that I would use the name of my Cummins powered "horse" in my alias. Marshal should be spelled with one "L" but the gal that signed me up spelled it with two so that's how I have left it.

I have been reloading 45ACP for over ten years so if you have any questions feel free to send me a PM or maybe they will have the new reloading section up soon. 8)
 

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.....I have been reloading 45ACP for over ten years so if you have any questions feel free to send me a PM or maybe they will have the new reloading section up soon. 8)
If you have been re-loading for 10 years and are still alive tell aboout it, you must know what you are doing..

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For those who would say ott against the Holy 1911. (You know who you are)

The Gospel According To John (Moses Browning)
John Moses Browning was perhaps the finest firearms designer, ever. His designs continue to work and to serve almost 100 years after they were created. There is an ongoing controversy about the reliability and safety of current 1911s vs. other "modern" pistols and I think this about sums the situation up.

As translated from the original ancient manuscripts by Fr. Frog.
© copyright 2002 by John C. Schaefer
 1 In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."
 2 "And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm."
 3 And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.
4 Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.
5 And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle. a
6 And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.
7 Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.
 8 And being a deceitful spirit the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.
 9 And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.
 10 But man being stupid did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.
11 And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-Boom to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.
12 Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the prophet had intended.
13 And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation b by the followers of John.
a Several old manuscripts add the following text. "And they [also rendered as "these men"] didst chamber it for cartridges who's calibers startith with numbers less than the Holy Number 4. And lo the Lord did cause great grief amongst these men when their enemies who were struck in battle with these lesser numbers didst not fall but did continue to cause great harm."
b or ****
© copyright 2002 by John C. Schaefer
For the faithful, the "feast day" of St. John Moses Browning is January 23.
While the above was intended to be (slightly) humorous it really is the truth. Old John Browning really knew his stuff and his tolerances and his selection of various alloys for specific parts were well thought out. Nowadays, the use of metal injection molding (MIM) parts is rampant due to the cost savings. While they can be very rugged, their quality depends on how much care is utilized in their manufacture, something that is not often up to snuff, and their hardness is usually just on the surface. Smoothing the parts can frequently cut through the surface hardness.
In the name of "super accuracy," many of the modern variations and custom pistols are made way too tight especially in the slide to frame fit and many custom barrels have very tight chambers. (One big name 'smith is notorious for guns so tight that on new pistols the slides stick when manually cycled until they have worn in.)  A tight slide to frame fit really isn't needed for accuracy. As long as the barrel to slide lock-up is consistent the pistol will shoot where it is pointed and shoot small groups. However, if tested in a Ransom rest which mechanically holds the pistol by the grip, they don't appear to group well since the slide is not held consistently in the same place on the frame. However, when held in the hand and sighted they group just fine. Â
Speaking of grouping, unless you are a national championship level bullseye shooter trying to eke out the very last decimal point in group size you don't need a tight chamber and overly tight tolerances. The same goes for the barrel bushing. Having it fitted to the slide so tightly that it requires a major effort and special tools to remove accomplishes nothing that can't be done with a fit that can be removed by hand or in the worst case by using a magazine base plate for leverage.
Even a "rack" grade GI pistol will out shoot all but the best marksmen. As a case in point back in the mid-70s Tom Campbell, then of S&W, came to my club and shot an IPSC match using a non-selected, loose, GI 1911 (not an A1) with issue sights. He easily won the match by about 15 points shooting against folks with expensive custom pistols.
Two bad trends, IMHO, are the current fad of using Allen screws or Torx head screws on the 1911, and the use of square profiled hammer struts. With original spec'd parts no tools are needed to detail strip the 1911. The shaft of the safety can be used to push out the mainspring housing pin, the hammer strut can be used to drift out all remaining cross pins, and the lips on the sear spring can be used to remove the grip screws and magazine catch. While you shouldn't need one, if you are enamored with full length guide rods be sure you use one that does not require any tools to disassemble the pistol. If you want to return your commercial 1911 to JMB's original standards Brownells has the parts.
Magazine catch lock (slotted head) PN 965-001-153
GI Recoil spring guide PN 634-000-006
Recoil spring plug PN 087-881-001
Hammer strut (round profile tip) PN 087-823-000
Slotted grip screws (set of 4) PN 080-831-004
They also carry a large assortment of machined sears, disconnectors, and hammers.
If the extractor is properly shaped and tension is properly set, if someone hasn't mucked with the internals, if there are no burrs or razor edges internally, and the magazines aren't crap, they'll work every time. When I was active in competition I had a 1911 that went close to 150,000 rounds (Yes that is correct--it was used by several people all the time.) without a single malfunction using both ball and semiwadcutter ammo, at which point I stopped keeping track of things. The only thing ever done to it was to replace the recoil spring once a year, and keep it cleaned and properly lubed. The extractor was replace at around 80,000 rounds when a small nick was discovered.
The one non-JMB change that seems to be good is the use of the 18 lb recoil spring in place of the GI spec 16 pound spring as with modern loadings it gives a smoother cycling of the action while still functioning with most non spec ammo.
Speaking of magazines. If you want the best magazine available you should check out Tripp Research's Cobramag. These 7 and 8 round magazines are probably the only real improvement made to JMB's design since 1911.Â

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Welcome! I don't have a 1911 yet, but I can appreciate a good looking gun when I see one. Glad to see someone else using their valuable time at the office for some "productive" work. :D
Hi Petersen, thanks for the welcome. Productive is as productive does, someone once said. 8)
 

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MarshallDodge said:
Welcome moyler, glad to have another 1911 fan over here to back me up. :wink:
Nice LB by the way.

I have not been here long but it seems most of the arguments are about Glock vs XD.

I have been reloading 45ACP for over ten years so if you have any questions feel free to send me a PM or maybe they will have the new reloading section up soon. 8)
Hey Marshall, thanks. A Glock vs. XD argument is kind of like picking a president the last couple elections. You don't really want either but you have to have one so close your eyes and pick one. :lol2:

For the record I have one of each so keep the flaming to a minimum you block-heads!

A re-loading section would be great here. In the mean-time, I may take you up on your offer. Mr press is all set up but I am having a hard time tweaking the [auto-edited] dies.

Thanks again!

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Tarzan1888 said:
For those who would say ott against the Holy 1911. (You know who you are)

The Gospel According To John (Moses Browning)
Tarzan
Amen, Tarzan, Amen.

An excerpt from the golden tablets to remind us all of the greatness of JMB. Your Mil-Spec Springer is right in line with the words of righteousness.

Although I belong to the church of 1911, I have sinned, and among my Colts lies a couple overly tight infadel 1911's. One even has lamp up front in which to see at night. Blasphemous!

Fortunately, the church of 1911's is alot like Catholisism. Three "Hail Browning's" and a confession later and all is forgiven, if ye stay true to the faith. :wink:
 
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