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Just found this forum. Seriously thinking about concealed carry--trying to figure out the hoops/pitfalls. Live in Salt Lake area, thinking about picking up a glock g19, but not sure how to carry it.
 

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Welcome.

As for hoops and pitfalls...the only hoops or pitfalls are that you need to read the state code on gun laws and educate yourself and be absolutely aware of where you can and cannot carry your concealed firearm. This site is a GREAT resource for that, but it behooves you to read and understand the details of the code yourself.
 

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zozo said:
Just found this forum. Seriously thinking about concealed carry--trying to figure out the hoops/pitfalls. Live in Salt Lake area, thinking about picking up a glock g19, but not sure how to carry it.
The best thing to do when considering a Glock 19 is to buy an XD. :D

Seriously, go to Gallinson's in downtown SLC and try both. Try first one gun and then the other, by quickly bringing it up to fireing position, while looking at a target and then notice where the gun is actually pointing. If you are like most people the Glock will be point at the sky and the XD will be on target, so buy the XD.

Tarzan

Oh yea, welcome to the forum

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I don't own an XD or a Glock, but have shot both.
 

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G19 is one of the best choices around. The only thing better than a G19 is some other Glock that fits your hand better. Glocks have a proven history of reliablity and durability. However, no gun is perfect. Every make and model has had some type of problem with it at some point some where.

Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement so there are a lot of accessories and holsters for them. You can get one fairly cheap and most every gun store carry's them so you can compare prices. Go to a store that rents hadnguns and shoot them in their indoor range to really find out what works for you.

I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's. ND's happen becasue the trigger was pressed PERIOD. I firmly believe that if you follow the Four Rules of Gun Safety you won't have a problem.

1. Treat all guns as though they are loaded.
2. Never let your muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger.
4. Be sure of your back stop and beyond.

This is no different than any other gun. The first and most important safety is your BRAIN. No one should handle a firearm until the can follow these rules. Keep your gun in a safe place when you are not carrying it and educate those you live with about firearms.
 

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zozo said:
thinking about picking up a glock g19, but not sure how to carry it.
On your hip! I love open carry, but it is not for everyone. It is hard to conceal a large pistol comfortably (for me) so I exercise my right to bear arms. :D
 

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+1 on the Springfield XD over the Glock.

The SA XD also has the trigger safety similar to the Glock with an ADDED grip safety - so you can feel safe carrying it and there is no safety to switch off before firing it.

I'm not up to speed on the Glock lingo... what's an ND - seems like you are talking about an accidental discharge, but I would like to know what the acronym stands for.

Thanks!
 

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How sturdy/reliable is the XD? One of the things I like about the Glock is the legendary ruggedness of the gun. But if the XD is similarly reliable and aims better, I'm certainly willing to give it a shot.
 

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Well, I wouldn't bury a gun in sand, drag it through the mud or soak it in salt water, so I don't really know exactly how the two stand up under extreme circumstances. It seems to me that a lot of people buy Glocks because it's a household name like Kleenex or Saran Wrap - and not necessarily because Glocks are any better than many other available handguns. Many people will site the torture tests performed on Glocks (as mentioned above), but honestly... who in their right mind would do that to their gun. Some might point out that you CAN do that to a Glock... I would point out that no one does, so the tests are somewhat useless for someone like me. If I were a deep sea diver or arctic explorer, then sure, I might favor a Block. But I am a normal dude carrying for self defense, not to show how extreme my gun is.

You are hopefully going to carry your gun (or keep it close to you) 24/7, so what really becomes important is how much you like the gun, not what some wacko did to it to show how "Mountain Dew" extreme it is. You need to LOVE your handgun, be obsessed with it, caress it and maybe kiss it. If you don't have strong feelings for your handgun, you will find that it gets left behind a lot (somewhat like that really annoying kid in middle school).

If, and only if, you find that you like the Glock the best of all the other guns you have tried, should you buy one. However, please remember that there are many other manufacturers and models out there that can hold their own on the reliability scale right next to a Block.

The XDs are very reliable.

Kahr arms makes a number of guns that are good, the problem is the capacity of the Kahrs (usually 6+1) and the lack of a safety; plus they are pretty spendy.

Go to the store, pick up a lot of guns, try them out, have the clerk show/tell you how they disassemble and what he likes/dislikes about each of them. If he looks annoyed, go elsewhere. If he doesn't know about the gun, ask to read the owner's manual or do so online - see how complicated the gun is, check out warranties, etc.

I really hope that you buy the gun that fits you. Like they say in Harry Potter, "The wand chooses the wizard." That seems to apply with guns as well.

Best of luck, now go do your research.
 

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GeneticsDave's experience with the XD is almost exactly the same as mine. It really came down to Glock vs. XD for me. The XD just felt right at home in my hand, even the subcompact. The sights are awesome and when drawing and aiming, I was on right on target every time with the XD whereas I had to fish around a bit with the Glock. Now all of these could have been overcome, but when it came to safety and comfort, the XD won in all categories. But my decision was verified the first time I shot it - I shot more accurately with my brand spankin' new XD compact than I ever had with my other full-size pistols. Over 1500 rounds in the last 3 months and not so much as a hiccup.

FOR ME, this was the best pistol. For you, it might be something entirely different.
 

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Hunter said:
.....Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement.......
And this is a good thing? :?

Hunter said:
....I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's......
And with good reason. :shock:

Tarzan
 

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GeneticsDave said:
Well, I don't bury my gun in sand, drag it through the mud or soak it in salt water, so I don't really know exactly how the two stand up under extreme circumstances. It seems to me that a lot of people buy Glocks because it's a household name like Kleenex or Saran Wrap - and not necessarily because Glocks are any better than many other available handguns. Many people will site the torture tests performed on Glocks (as mentioned above), but honestly... who in their right mind would do that to their gun. Some might point out that you CAN do that to a Glock... I would point out that no one does, so the tests are somewhat useless for someone like me. If I were a deep sea diver or arctic explorer, then sure, I might favor a Block. But I am a normal dude carrying for self defense, not to show how extreme my gun is..
As we are talking about the Block Torture test, I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that the same type of a test has been done on the XD and the results were amazing. If you haven't seen it, I can find the link, but the Blocks have nothing on the XD now. Besides, Block realized this and had to start making their pistols "more like" the XD and thus spawned the G21SF with the smaller frame.

You will be very pleased with the XD, and it is the gun that I recommend for most of my students as thier first, second, or 20th handgun. B
 

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There are a lot of XD fans on this site. It seems you either Hate Glock or Hate XD. They are very similar. The main reason I don't like XD's IS the grip safety. I shy away from any gun that has too many safeties and my finger and brain are all I count on anyways. Regardless of what you get make sure you play with a few first (and by play with I mean hold/examine, etc). I would suggest anything that LEOs or a military (USA or other) have used and approved of. Stay away from anything cheaper than $200 (in general) while there are many good guns in this price range most lack accessories making them less useful than they could be.
 

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There are a lot of XD fans on this site. It seems you either Hate Glock or Hate XD. They are very similar. The main reason I don't like XD's IS the grip safety. I shy away from any gun that has too many safeties and my finger and brain are all I count on anyways. Regardless of what you get make sure you play with a few first (and by play with I mean hold/examine, etc). I would suggest anything that LEOs or a military (USA or other) have used and approved of. Stay away from anything cheaper than $200 (in general) while there are many good guns in this price range most lack accessories making them less useful than they could be.
+1, try them all and see what you like. I have Glocks and XD's and I trust my life to both......I just like the XD more;)
 

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Hunter said:
.....Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement.......
And this is a good thing? :?

Hunter said:
....I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's......
And with good reason. :shock:

Tarzan
.....Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement.......

And this is a good thing? :?

With Glocks being so popular, in and out of Law Enforcement, there is a bigger selection of accessories and you can get parts and magazines cheaper than most other brand of handgun.

Hunter said:
....I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's......
And with good reason. :shock:

Follow the Four Rules of Firearms Safety and you shouldn't have a problem. Your mind is your biggest safety.
 

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Gck Vs. XD.....hmmmm a big question that I get from a LOT of our students. What I tell them is this: "You want a gun that goes bang EVERYTIME YOU PULL THE TRIGGER, you want one that is comfortable, one that is easy to conceal, one that has lots of options for holsters, lights and lasers and of course... one that you can afford. I have been required to carry many firearms over the years while working. I was issued the M9 Beretta (92FS) and I wasn't a big fan as it was thick in the grip and I didn't like the DA/SA trigger. Then I began looking into Law Enforcement. I asked EVERY Police officer I could find what they were carying. I asked them why they were carrying it and what they liked and didn't like. After that it narrowed my search down to the "Top Dogs" in the handgun market. Glock, Beretta (Cougar), Sig Sauer, H&K and Smith and Wesson. I went to Pro-Arms (I know I know, showing my age a bit here) and shot one of each of the above handguns and made my selection. I chose Glock. I bought my first Glock 17 and have since owned/carried 7 differents Glocks. I currenlty own two, my Glock 22 (My SWAT handgun) and a Glock 19 (Off duty/Concealed Carry) I do also however have two Sig Sauers that I carry from time to time. Spend some good oney on a handgun ($400 or more) I feel my life is worth at least that much Vs. $100-$300 (Hi-Point, S&W Sigma etc). Remember, your life CAN depend on what you are carrying right then.

Also, REMEMBER TO PRACTICE and PRACTICE OFTEN. Muscle Memory is IMPORTANT!!!!!!!.

"The Pistol, Learn it well and wear it always" Jeff Cooper

Sorry this is a bit long of a post. As for the XD, It wasn't around when I started shopping, since then I have shot them several times and shoot great with them but my hand is now more comfortable with the Glock.

Good luck
 

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Hunter said:
Tarzan1888 said:
Hunter said:
.....Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement.......
And this is a good thing? :?

Hunter said:
....I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's......
And with good reason. :shock:

Tarzan
.....Glocks are widly used in Law Enforcement.......

And this is a good thing? :?

With Glocks being so popular, in and out of Law Enforcement, there is a bigger selection of accessories and you can get parts and magazines cheaper than most other brand of handgun.

Hunter said:
....I know there has been a lot said about Glock's and ND's......
And with good reason. :shock:

Follow the Four Rules of Firearms Safety and you shouldn't have a problem. Your mind is your biggest safety.
:lol: :lol:

It was a JOKE. :lol: :lol:

I understand what you said, and you were so serious, I just couldn't help myself. :lol:

tarzan
 
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