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I normally avoid stores that require "ID" to use a card ("why" is very off topic), and when I'm in a situation where I'm asked for ID, just for fun I usually hand my CWP. Normally people look puzzled for a moment, check the picture and name, and hand it back.

When I went to pick up a laptop computer from PCLaptops (yeah, the psycho "Dan the Laptop Man"), they explicitly do not accept a CWP as ID anymore. I had the guy call their main office to verify that. I was told the CWP was "too easy to alter," and that "we've had too many problems with people using fakes." (?!?!?!?!) They only now accept driver licences or a state-issued ID. The employees repeated shrugged and said, "sorry, new company policy."

I said I'd be back and left the machine there.

I called my business partner (as the laptop belongs to our company) and she was disappointed. She's going to be making a call to tell them to undo what they did to the machine and just give it back... along with announcing that we're not going to do business with them anymore... "sorry, old company policy... we don't do business with idiots." I'll be sending a letter to their offices if I can find an address.

Before people here start picking away at this, some points....

  • I know that CWP is not issued for the purposed of ID... neither is the "driver privilege card" issued to illegal aliens designed for the purposes of ID. Despite that, companies have been falling all over themselves to announce that they'll accept them as ID anyhow. What is and is not ID is an off-topic discussion. [/*]
  • This is not a knee-jerk reaction. PCLaptops used to be an awesome company, but we have had increasingly poor service from them for the last two years. This two-day wait without explanation (when I was originally told a couple hours for a 30-minute job) has become normal. [/*]
  • I put up with the "must have ID" rule, and have used my CWP, normally leading to friendly gun conversation with the employees. Today they all treated me like I announced I had small pox. I didn't see any of the old employees there; these were all relatively new kids. [/*]
  • People can do what they want; this simply was the nail in the coffin for me. [/*]
 

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I will no longer bring my bussiness to PC Laptop Instead sombody that will accept my CWP for what it is a ID. Also I would imagine that the Holagram on the ID would be enough.
 

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One of MANY reasons not to use a CFP as ID. :roll:

FWIW, if someone asks for ID I use my DL. 8)
 

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When the GF & I took our CFP class the instructor told all of us that the permit IS a legal photo ID in the state. If the state says it is an official ID can they legaly refuse to accept it as such?
 

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I didn't want to drag this into a "what is ID" discussion. But human nature is such, and history has proven repeatedly, that any government-issued personal card becomes a de facto ID, regardless of whether it was intended for that purpose or not.
 

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Mr. Magnum said:
If the state says it is an official ID can they legaly refuse to accept it as such?
Unless things have changed in the last year or so, the terms of service contract that regulate companies that accept credit cards prohibit them from asking for ID in the first place. They should only be checking signatures... but as I feared this is getting pretty off-topic, so I'll shut up.
 

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rhinokrk said:
One of MANY reasons not to use a CFP as ID.
This has been an informal experiment on my part as one with an interest in human psychology. I'm not encouraging anybody to actually do this.
 

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My son had to use his CFP to board a plane in California. He didn't have his DL, so that was the only ID he had. "State Issued" picture ID. Worked fine. though she DID say she didn't think he could carry on-board..? He had to tell her that it was only for ID and he KNEW he couldn't carry on-board, and in fact didn't have a firearm with him on the trip. No reall problem IN CA even.. Who'd a thunk it?

When buying a gun... I went to the cashier to pay for it, and she asked for ID for my check... When I handed the CFP to her she mention it was better than a DL...

And last, and maybe least.. I thought Dan the laptop jerk was closely aligned with Dell Shawnsy (spelled wrong) Totally Awsome "employees are encouraged to carry"...

Oh well..
 

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concealedutah said:
When buying a gun...
Don't forget when buying a gun that you can skip the Brady check with your CWP. Saves a few bucks and speeds the process along. :)
 

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Black Puma said that any government card that is issued eventually used as an ID. The truth of this is in the Social Security Card. It is never supposed to be used ID, yet where in the US is it not used as an ID today? Especially for college. Just try telling any business that you refuse to give them that info & see where it gets you. To be denied using your state issued CCW License as ID is discriminatory. I was also instructed that it was a valid state ID.
 

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blackpuma said:
I normally avoid stores that require "ID" to use a card ("why" is very off topic), and when I'm in a situation where I'm asked for ID, just for fun I usually hand my CWP. Normally people look puzzled for a moment, check the picture and name, and hand it back.

When I went to pick up a laptop computer from PCLaptops (yeah, the psycho "Dan the Laptop Man"), they explicitly do not accept a CWP as ID anymore. I had the guy call their main office to verify that. I was told the CWP was "too easy to alter," and that "we've had too many problems with people using fakes." (?!?!?!?!) They only now accept driver licences or a state-issued ID. The employees repeated shrugged and said, "sorry, new company policy."

I said I'd be back and left the machine there.

I called my business partner (as the laptop belongs to our company) and she was disappointed. She's going to be making a call to tell them to undo what they did to the machine and just give it back... along with announcing that we're not going to do business with them anymore... "sorry, old company policy... we don't do business with idiots." I'll be sending a letter to their offices if I can find an address.

Before people here start picking away at this, some points....

  • I know that CWP is not issued for the purposed of ID... neither is the "driver privilege card" issued to illegal aliens designed for the purposes of ID. Despite that, companies have been falling all over themselves to announce that they'll accept them as ID anyhow. What is and is not ID is an off-topic discussion. [/*]
  • This is not a knee-jerk reaction. PCLaptops used to be an awesome company, but we have had increasingly poor service from them for the last two years. This two-day wait without explanation (when I was originally told a couple hours for a 30-minute job) has become normal. [/*]
  • I put up with the "must have ID" rule, and have used my CWP, normally leading to friendly gun conversation with the employees. Today they all treated me like I announced I had small pox. I didn't see any of the old employees there; these were all relatively new kids. [/*]
  • People can do what they want; this simply was the nail in the coffin for me. [/*]
Pc Laptops just like Totally Ausome Computers arn't all they are cracked up to be. Both use(d) bottom of the line parts in there computers. They are way over priced. They tell you they have FREE lifetime warrenties but just a fyi, there are no FREE lifetime warrenties. You pay for it in the price of the computer, they don't tell you that it is usually cheeper to pay a PC repair man hourly IF something goes wrong with the comp., and if it is a hardware issue you will usually know within the first few months when it is still covered under the factory parts warrenty. I like most IT personel I also warn people away from them. I plan on starting a computer building/repaire buisness this year so if you need any help let me know. If I can't do it I know honest people who can.

P.S. I'll take your CWP as an ID :lol:
 

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Stirring up an old thread here... I can't figure out why you would ever want to use your CFP as you ID. Is it for intimidation? To let them know you are armed? I thought the whole point of concealment is so nobody knows? Correct me if I am wrong.
 

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SGT Jensen said:
Stirring up an old thread here... I can't figure out why you would ever want to use your CFP as you ID. Is it for intimidation? To let them know you are armed? I thought the whole point of concealment is so nobody knows? Correct me if I am wrong.
Years ago I used my permit as an ID when I flew, but this only caused confusion and worry, so now I never use it as an ID.

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As a point of clarification, you are NOT required to show photo ID for credit card purchases as long as your credit card is signed on the back. It is against the merchant policies.

http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/ ... chants.pdf
"Although Visa rules do not preclude merchants from asking for
cardholder ID, merchants cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance.
Therefore, merchants cannot refuse to complete a purchase transaction
because a cardholder refuses to provide ID. Visa believes merchants
should not ask for ID as part of their regular card acceptance
procedures."

More at http://creditboards.com/forums/index.php?showforum=40

While many will argue that there's no real issue in showing your Photo ID to complete a transaction, the truth is that they just don't need it. You are MUCH, MUCH safer having your credit card stolen than your drivers license or other ID. Your credit card has no personally identifying info on it. Your DL has about everything they need to steal your identify, ESPECIALLY if you DL has your SSN on it (if it does, go get a new one that doesn't).

If you're asked for Photo ID simply to make a credit card transaction, you can refuse. If they refuse to do business, complain to Visa or Mastercard, etc. and they'll take action. They CAN ask you for photo ID, they just cannot require it. And this is only for credit card transactions. They can ask for checks or for other situations where they need to verify age, address (though this one's questionable also), or identity (hotel check in, rental car, etc.).

I was asked for photo ID a few weeks ago at Walmart though I'm not sure why - I never have been before. I just asked, "What would happen if I say no." They said, "nothing" and we completed the transaction without it.
 

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Cinhil said:
Black Puma said that any government card that is issued eventually used as an ID. The truth of this is in the Social Security Card. It is never supposed to be used ID, yet where in the US is it not used as an ID today? Especially for college. Just try telling any business that you refuse to give them that info & see where it gets you. To be denied using your state issued CCW License as ID is discriminatory. I was also instructed that it was a valid state ID.
... just chiming in on this point... some of you may be old enough and may have their original SSN cards to double-verify this... my step-father is in his 60's and still has his *original* SSN card... right on the back of it it says something to the effect of "... not to be used for identification purposes..." or some such thing. Just having it on there and then having everyone ask him for his SSN all the time just eats him up! :)
 

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SGT Jensen said:
Stirring up an old thread here... I can't figure out why you would ever want to use your CFP as you ID. Is it for intimidation? To let them know you are armed? I thought the whole point of concealment is so nobody knows? Correct me if I am wrong.
It's a LEGAL STATE PHOTO ID. No matter what. Not my first choice, but VALID.
 

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The only time I have used it is withdrawing money from wells fargo bank. For some reason they require 2 forms of ID. Unless you have a debit/check card then you can use your pin with out any ID. Real secure if someone has your pin and card. They have never questioned me at all. If its issued by the state its a state ID period! Sorry off topic just wanted to chime in.
 

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I've only used my CFP as ID once, and it was an accident. This was shortly after I got my CFP, and I'd put it in the same pocket in my wallet as my DL, but behind the DL. The pocket has a clear face so I can show the DL without removing the card. I figured that way if I'm ever pulled over I can easily get both cards at once and for normal ID use I can just flip my wallet open to show the DL.

I was picking up my car from the shop and I was focused on analyzing the bill to see what they'd done to the car when the clerk asked me for ID. Without looking, I opened my wallet, reached into the "ID" pocket, pulled out a card and handed it to her. Her hesitation and odd reaction got my attention and caused me to look up and then I noticed which card I'd used. I started to apologize and get my DL for her, but she just said "That's okay" and handed the CFP back.

I'd use my CFP for a second ID if required by someone, especially since I don't usually carry my passport, but in general it seems too... not sure how to put it. Gung ho? Not quite right, but the closest I can come up with right now. They want a DL, I have a DL, I give them the DL.

Besides, since I'm usually OC'ing, my XD does a more than adequate job of displaying my choice to own and carry a gun.

OT: As part of my security consulting practice I've worked with banks to review credit card security issues. In the process I realized that checking ID is not only good for the merchant, it's really good for the cardholder, too. As a result, I don't sign any of my credit cards, instead I write "CHECK ID" in the signature block. I've even been known to (gently) berate clerks that don't ask for ID. There are far too many of them.
 

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Kind of the same situation.

Couple times since I have moved I have been asked for two forms of ID. Well only thing I had is my Oregon DL and my County Search and Rescue ID. It is an official State ID and someone questioned it, asked why I would do such a thing as forge this. I told her to call the # on the card and run my ID number. She did, and lo and behold it checked out...

I dont use it if I have something else with me (Passport, utility bill, SS card, etc) but sometimes it is all you have.
 
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