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Just posted to me & all staff/students moments ago:

Questions about Weapons on Campus

The Campus Security Task Force was appointed by President Young to address concerns regarding campus safety in the face of news reports about violence and weapons on college campuses. One of its charges was to provide some guidance to the campus community regarding weapons.

With two exceptions, the University of Utah does not allow lethal weapons on campus â€" that policy applies to firearms, knives, explosives, or other items whose central purpose is inflicting harm on others. The two exceptions to this policy are the firearms carried by law enforcement officers and concealed weapons carried by lawful permit holders. Those persons who have a permit to carry a concealed weapon must keep their weapons concealed while on campus.

Faculty, staff, or students may become aware of the presence of a weapon in their immediate vicinity either by happenstance as when a concealed weapon is momentarily visible or through deliberate action of the possessor. In either event, the advice of law enforcement experts is the same â€" stay calm and avoid confrontation whenever possible.

Nobody other than an official law enforcement officer should ask the possessor of a weapon whether he/she has a concealed carry permit. Trained peace officers are the right people to deal with this issue.

In all situations â€" STAY CALM â€" AVOID CONFRONTATION if at all possible

1. If a weapon is not being brandished in a threatening manner, there is no reason for you to become directly involved with the weapon. This is true whether it is openly visible or only briefly exposed. If you have any concern about the weapon’s presence, then

a. make note of the identity of the possessor

b. call 585-2677 (5-COPS) or 9-911

c. do not ask the possessor for a weapon permit

2. If a weapon is being brandished in a threatening manner or the possessor seems unstable, then

a. STAY CALM â€" do not make the situation worse by confrontation if it can be avoided

b. call 585-2677 (5-COPS) or 9-911

3. If you are threatened directly or if violence erupts, then

a. STAY CALM

i. take evasive action

ii. do not enter any area without knowing what is there

iii. use self-defense methods only to the extent that you are familiar or comfortable with them

iv. look for the most solid protection available (e.g., prefer solid wood furniture over drywall)

b. call 585-2677 (5-COPS) or 9-911

Notice no mention is made of every Utah citizens right to carry a weapon openly if they so desire--as per state law (I am at work & not able to locate that at the moment), so long as if it is a firearm it requires at least 2 actions to fire it.
Some of this is tripe, but this is the "new policy."
 

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Good question, Jampacking. The only thing I can come up with is the leadership at the U feels that legal open carry would create too many disturbances among the ignorant (which includes themselves).? :?
 

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I guess where I am headed with this is that I thought we had decided that U of U could NOT make their own rules with respect to carry with the exception of dorms. But this ban on open carry is legal?
 

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The U of U's statement saying that CWP holders cannot open carry goes against state law. However, it may not be worth trying to fight the U on this statement, as it just may bring up the whole gun ban issue all over again. I like to carry concealed anyway. TIFWIW.

p.s. I sometimes see President Young at my parents church and I just want to give him an earful, but I've held my tongue so far.
 

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iampacking said:
I guess where I am headed with this is that I thought we had decided that U of U could NOT make their own rules with respect to carry with the exception of dorms. But this ban on open carry is legal?
Simply put, no it is not legal to ban open carry. However be prepared to prove this in court if you choose to OC. I have spoken with the U on this matter and they have made it clear to me that if caught OC-ing it would be a "matter for the courts to decide", and if a student would result in "additional problems that would seriously inconvenience me". Since I don't attend school at the U and rarely visit campus I have pushed the matter any more than this, and will just CC to prevent issues.
 

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That posting basically says, "Keep your eyes out for Evil Gun-Toting Neaderthals --- be ready to call the cops. Careful! They may whip out their gun and start taking hostages at any moment!"

These guys really have their heads where the sun doesn't shine.

A quiet and polite "heads up" the CWP holder, that he's is printing is all that's required, not a call to 911.
 

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Cinhil said:
3. If you are threatened directly or if violence erupts, then

a. STAY CALM
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iii. use self-defense methods only to the extent that you are familiar or comfortable with them
:D :D :D :D :D OK... so NOW I can use my gun. :D :D :D :D :D

Alright... I know that they meant to don one's karate gi. They just left that open to interpretation. :)
 

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Interesting. It sure seems like the U is almost looking for someone to get upset and call 911 over seeing a weapon (legal or not) so they can add some heat to their continued fight against the 2nd amendment.
 

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Interesting. It sure seems like the U is almost looking for someone to get upset and call 911 over seeing a weapon (legal or not) so they can add some heat to their continued fight against the 2nd amendment.
That’s hitting the nail on the head. Have it create a public disturbance long enough and it will be banned as it is disruptive to the learning environment.
 

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I did a FREE concealed firearms permit class at the U of U a few months ago, just because they couldn't stop me. I held it in the library in one of their classrooms. It was a lot of fun. Kinda my middle finger the the President of the U.
 

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iampacking said:
Help me out here:
Why is open carry not allowed as per Utah law?
There is NO law against and since there is NOTHING stating AGAINST it it's then Technically legal.

The most common code "supporting" the "Open Carry" would be 76-10-505.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.

Amended by Chapter 328, 1990 General Session
Download Code Section Zipped WP 6/7/8 76_0C034.ZIP 1,712 Bytes

Ask an Officer which "Law" you are Breaking and he/she WILL NOT be able to find ANYTHING connected to OCing. The Officer may try the "disorderly" code, but that won't work since you are LEGALLY carrying the gun in a holster. Wether on the hip or in shoulder holster
 
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