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Hello, I will be backpacking with my son in the Uinta Nat'l Forest, near American Fork Canyon next wk. I will be open carrying without a CCW. Is the two step rule still in effect in this senario? I will be carrying a gp100 revolver. Is it still necessary to carry w/ the hammer on an empty cylinder, and the next one empty also? 4 rnds. doesn't seem especially useful.

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You are correct. Even though the law is a bit antiquated (it doesn't specify between single and double action revolvers), it is best to carry with two empty spaces in the cylinder (one below the hammer and the second in the next up position). Let us know how it goes!
 

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kkindles said:
Hello, I will be backpacking with my son in the Uinta Nat'l Forest, near American Fork Canyon next wk. I will be open carrying without a CCW. Is the two step rule still in effect in this senario? I will be carrying a gp100 revolver. Is it still necessary to carry w/ the hammer on an empty cylinder, and the next one empty also? 4 rnds. doesn't seem especially useful.

Thanks in advance, KKindles
This is the law;

"76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street. (1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor. "

http://www.utahshootingsports.com/utahl ... #76-10-505

You say you will be in a National Forest. As far as I can find, there is no State law against you open carrying a loaded gun in a National Forest. The above link covers gun laws in the State of Utah, decide for yourself. IANAL

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4 rounds now is better than a cop in 30 minutes.
 

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Tarzan1888 said:
As far as I can find, there is no State law against you open carrying a loaded gun in a National Forest. The above link covers gun laws in the State of Utah, decide for yourself. IANAL
I am also not a lawyer, but I can't see how hiking through the backcountry can be considered a "public street". Also, I've never heard of a forest ranger checking for loaded weapons, except in a vehicle.
 

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swillden said:
Tarzan1888 said:
As far as I can find, there is no State law against you open carrying a loaded gun in a National Forest. The above link covers gun laws in the State of Utah, decide for yourself. IANAL
I am also not a lawyer, but I can't see how hiking through the backcountry can be considered a "public street". Also, I've never heard of a forest ranger checking for loaded weapons, except in a vehicle.
So true.

If they did check for loaded weapons (when not in a vehicle), you would find yourself in a little bit of trouble every time you went HUNTING in a National forest......If that's not OPEN CARRY, I don't know what is. :bang2:
 

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swillden said:
Tarzan1888 said:
As far as I can find, there is no State law against you open carrying a loaded gun in a National Forest. The above link covers gun laws in the State of Utah, decide for yourself. IANAL
I am also not a lawyer, but I can't see how hiking through the backcountry can be considered a "public street". Also, I've never heard of a forest ranger checking for loaded weapons, except in a vehicle.
Also, while backpacking, one might consider that you are technically in a "temporary residence or camp" at all times... IANAL either, but personally wouldn't see a problem carrying fully loaded.

76-10-511. Possession of loaded weapon at residence authorized.

Except for persons described in Section 76-10-503, a person may have a loaded firearm at his place of residence, including any temporary residence or camp.

Amended by Chapter 234, 1993 General Session
 

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Outsider said:
Ummm... I thought you couldn't carry in a National Forrest...
I'm not positive but I think the restriction applies to National Parks, not National Forests...

I actually go shooting a lot up in the National Forest areas..(some who also have are trying to ruin it for all of us by leaving the items they hauled up there and shot to pieces scattered all over the mountainside!! That just ticks me off to no end....if you haul it in - haul it out!)
 

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Outsider said:
Ummm... I thought you couldn't carry in a National Forrest...
Yes, you can. National Forests follow state law. National Parks are restricted. National Recreation Areas and National Monuments are ambiguous; the ones run by the park service are restricted, the ones run by the forest service are not. Check the published policies in those cases.

If the proposed rule change is implemented, CC will become legal in parks, as long as you're legal to CC in state parks in the state containing the national park -- though with a bunch of restrictions on "facilities" within the park. Hopefully the park service will instead follow the VCDL's suggestion to adopt the Department of Agriculture rule used by the forest service.
 

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I didn't know there was a difference.
That's a big part of the reason why the restriction needs to be lifted on National Parks -- and why it should be changed to follow the National Forest policy, rather than some other, complicated policy.

I hope everyone has written to the park service to tell them to please NOT accept the proposed rule change but instead adopt the USDA's rule used by the forest service.
 

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thering said:
Outsider said:
Ummm... I thought you couldn't carry in a National Forrest...
I'm not positive but I think the restriction applies to National Parks, not National Forests...

I actually go shooting a lot up in the National Forest areas..(some who also have are trying to ruin it for all of us by leaving the items they hauled up there and shot to pieces scattered all over the mountainside!! That just ticks me off to no end....if you haul it in - haul it out!)
I am positive that it is the National Parks and not the National Forests where the prohibition applies. I have written in and expressed my views on this ban as the rules governing carry in National Parks is being reviewed at this time.

I second the plea to all those who have not written in favor of the change, to do so. See Below;

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/c ... 648053d497

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tapehoser said:
And just so we're all clear, a CFP holder may carry openly and LOADED in the Uinta National Forest.
YES!

IANAL, your mileage may very and all that other stuff.

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And just so we're all clear, a CFP holder may carry openly and LOADED in the Uinta National Forest.
Right. It seems to me that a non-CFP holder can also carry openly and loaded in the Uinta National Forest, but there's no question about CFP holders.
 

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swillden said:
tapehoser said:
And just so we're all clear, a CFP holder may carry openly and LOADED in the Uinta National Forest.
Right. It seems to me that a non-CFP holder can also carry openly and loaded in the Uinta National Forest, but there's no question about CFP holders.
This is also true.

And as I have said before; IANAL and your mileage may vary.

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So have we decided a consensus? I will be camping in a National Forest this weekend, and I was thinking about open carry. (I STILL don't have my concealed permit... do you know how hard it is to find the time when you are the sole caregiver to your children in all but a few of your off hours?) \

I'm gonna check Vilo's book when I get home tonight, but It seems to me that I could open carry my 1911 with a full magazine, as long as the chamber is empty.
 

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Rugerlover said:
So have we decided a consensus? I will be camping in a National Forest this weekend, and I was thinking about open carry. (I STILL don't have my concealed permit... do you know how hard it is to find the time when you are the sole caregiver to your children in all but a few of your off hours?) \

I'm gonna check Vilo's book when I get home tonight, but It seems to me that I could open carry my 1911 with a full magazine, as long as the chamber is empty.
Please Do.....Check the book that is......But I never thought there was a question. IANAL

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Tarzan1888 said:
Rugerlover said:
So have we decided a consensus? I will be camping in a National Forest this weekend, and I was thinking about open carry. (I STILL don't have my concealed permit... do you know how hard it is to find the time when you are the sole caregiver to your children in all but a few of your off hours?) \

I'm gonna check Vilo's book when I get home tonight, but It seems to me that I could open carry my 1911 with a full magazine, as long as the chamber is empty.
Please Do.....Check the book that is......But I never thought there was a question. IANAL

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There was a question as to if he could carry fully loaded, or just Utah unloaded...

let me pose the question this way.

What law would one be breaking if they were to be carrying fully loaded while backpacking in the National Forest?
 
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