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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Two officers who raided the wrong house during an investigation were shot at and returned fire, but no one was injured, a police spokesman said.

Family members said the shooter, the father of six, was frightened by the intruders early Sunday and fired through a closed bedroom door after first firing a warning shot.

The SWAT team's erroneous search was part of an ongoing investigation, the police department said in a news release. Police said they had received bad information before executing the search warrant.

"It was some bad information that was received on the front end and it's unfortunate because we have officers that were hit by gunfire and this truly, truly could have been a much worse situation," said Sgt. Jesse Garcia.

Family members living in the house said they were upstairs when they heard someone bust through their back door. They said Vang Khang grabbed his hunting gun to protect himself, his wife and his six children.

"He thought they were gang members and he was scared," said Vang's brother, Dao Khang. Dao Khang said Vang fired a warning shot, and then two more shots through his closed bedroom door.

The bullets hit two officers, but they weren't injured. Police said bulletproof vests and helmets saved the officers from harm.

Several officers returned fire but no one in the house was injured, the department said. The man suspected of firing the shots was taken into custody, police said. He was later released, and a decision on whether to charge him was pending.

"All these gunshots in the house," Dao Khang said. "They don't know what's going on. Flying bullets in the house and they just cried."

The officers, who weren't identified, were placed on administrative leave while the incident is investigated, which is standard procedure. The officers said they identified themselves as police. Garcia said a language barrier may have created the misunderstanding.

Vang's family said he and his children, who range in age from 3 to 15, are still shaken.
 

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This most certainly was a "no-knock" warrant. The home owner had every right & reason to fire on these terrorists at the time. The homeowner was taken into custody because he hit officers with gunfire. The officers were not in the right place, had violated constitutional rights and were a threat to an innocent family, therefore the father who fired the shots ought to be exonerated & given a gold watch for his desire, and attempt at protecting his family.
It is a sad situation but whenever underhanded means are used (and no knocks are that) police ought to expect lawful citizens to do the right thing & protect themselves & their families from the unlawful B & E. :oops:
 

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The man suspected of firing the shots was taken into custody, police said. He was later released, and a decision on whether to charge him was pending.
ARE THEY KIDDING?!?!?!?!?!?

Take him into custody, sure, just to get everything straightened out. But even an afterthought of charging him??? A bunch of bafoons. They should apologize immediately for harming this family and ask forgiveness. Bunch o' hogwash.
 

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and pay for all the damage !!
 
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This most certainly was a "no-knock" warrant. The home owner had every right & reason to fire on these terrorists at the time. The homeowner was taken into custody because he hit officers with gunfire. The officers were not in the right place, had violated constitutional rights and were a threat to an innocent family, therefore the father who fired the shots ought to be exonerated & given a gold watch for his desire, and attempt at protecting his family.
It is a sad situation but whenever underhanded means are used (and no knocks are that) police ought to expect lawful citizens to do the right thing & protect themselves & their families from the unlawful B & E. :oops:
Lucid opinion; I couldn't agree more.
 

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Cinhil said:
This most certainly was a "no-knock" warrant. The home owner had every right & reason to fire on these terrorists at the time. The homeowner was taken into custody because he hit officers with gunfire. The officers were not in the right place, had violated constitutional rights and were a threat to an innocent family, therefore the father who fired the shots ought to be exonerated & given a gold watch for his desire, and attempt at protecting his family.
It is a sad situation but whenever underhanded means are used (and no knocks are that) police ought to expect lawful citizens to do the right thing & protect themselves & their families from the unlawful B & E. :oops:
Terrorists?!?! Are you kidding? They didn't go in there knowing they had the wrong address. They went in with good faith believing they had the corect information. Don't get me wrong, obviously something went terribly wrong and I'm sure it will be investigated. But, this I can tell you, No Knock Search Warrants have saved more lives of Officers and has caused less trouble than by not having them. Thank God our Justice System allows them.
 

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tapehoser said:
xmirage2kx said:
The man suspected of firing the shots was taken into custody, police said. He was later released, and a decision on whether to charge him was pending.
ARE THEY KIDDING?!?!?!?!?!?

Take him into custody, sure, just to get everything straightened out. But even an afterthought of charging him??? A bunch of bafoons. They should apologize immediately for harming this family and ask forgiveness. Bunch o' hogwash.
Whenever someone is involved in a Homicide, an Attempted Homicide, or an Aggravated Assault where a firearm is involved they are questioned. No matter how obvious it is they are in the right. The "charges pending" line is just something they say until the investigation is wrapped up. In the end, it isn't the Police who decides if he will be charged, it's the Prosecutor's Office.
 
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Cinhil said:
This most certainly was a "no-knock" warrant. The home owner had every right & reason to fire on these terrorists at the time. The homeowner was taken into custody because he hit officers with gunfire. The officers were not in the right place, had violated constitutional rights and were a threat to an innocent family, therefore the father who fired the shots ought to be exonerated & given a gold watch for his desire, and attempt at protecting his family.
It is a sad situation but whenever underhanded means are used (and no knocks are that) police ought to expect lawful citizens to do the right thing & protect themselves & their families from the unlawful B & E. :oops:
Terrorists?!?! Are you kidding? They didn't go in there knowing they had the wrong address. They went in with good faith believing they had the corect information. Don't get me wrong, obviously something went terribly wrong and I'm sure it will be investigated. But, this I can tell you, No Knock Search Warrants have saved more lives of Officers and has caused less trouble than by not having them. Thank God our Justice System allows them.
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I am certain to garner lots of love for what follows but at least for the time being I can't be jailed for it.

Wrong address.... wonderful excuse. I guess it is absurd to suggest that when they batter down doors with guns drawn endangering lives and destroying property they cant be expected to be certain of who's house they are invading. If someone had died it is they the police who would be culpable.

Frankly I am more interested in preserving my freedom and the safely of my family and property than I am in saving the lives of police. As far as causing less trouble I guess it is no small matter that this man or his family where greatly inconvenienced; what with the whole armed men busting down the door and shooting up the place.

As far as being terrorists; well that statement may have been extreme. Not all cops use violence or the threat of violence to inflict their will upon others.... not all of them at least, not yet.

Thank God that someday people will realize that living under the tyranny of police power is better than the risk associated with freedom. God willing on that day we can finally pick up all these pesky dissenters and the weapons that empower their dissent. Then we will have peace; Thank god.
 

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A very interesting discussion. I too believe no-knock warrants have a place and they do save lives - of both LEOs and bad guys. But law enforcement assumes a huge risk when they enter a HOME in such a manner, as is evidenced by this story. Thankfully no one was PHYSICALLY harmed.

Even identifying themselves as police officers is no guarantee thing will go down smoothly - besides, any thug can yell, "Police!" And unless I'm 100% sure it IS the police, I'm likely to shoot ANYBODY in my home uninvited that poses an immediate and real threat to me or my family.
 

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Eukatae said:
Hunter said:
Cinhil said:
This most certainly was a "no-knock" warrant. The home owner had every right & reason to fire on these terrorists at the time. The homeowner was taken into custody because he hit officers with gunfire. The officers were not in the right place, had violated constitutional rights and were a threat to an innocent family, therefore the father who fired the shots ought to be exonerated & given a gold watch for his desire, and attempt at protecting his family.
It is a sad situation but whenever underhanded means are used (and no knocks are that) police ought to expect lawful citizens to do the right thing & protect themselves & their families from the unlawful B & E. :oops:
Terrorists?!?! Are you kidding? They didn't go in there knowing they had the wrong address. They went in with good faith believing they had the corect information. Don't get me wrong, obviously something went terribly wrong and I'm sure it will be investigated. But, this I can tell you, No Knock Search Warrants have saved more lives of Officers and has caused less trouble than by not having them. Thank God our Justice System allows them.
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I am certain to garner lots of love for what follows but at least for the time being I can't be jailed for it.

Wrong address.... wonderful excuse. I guess it is absurd to suggest that when they batter down doors with guns drawn endangering lives and destroying property they cant be expected to be certain of who's house they are invading. If someone had died it is they the police who would be culpable.

Frankly I am more interested in preserving my freedom and the safely of my family and property than I am in saving the lives of police. As far as causing less trouble I guess it is no small matter that this man or his family where greatly inconvenienced; what with the whole armed men busting down the door and shooting up the place.

As far as being terrorists; well that statement may have been extreme. Not all cops use violence or the threat of violence to inflict their will upon others.... not all of them at least, not yet.

Thank God that someday people will realize that living under the tyranny of police power is better than the risk associated with freedom. God willing on that day we can finally pick up all these pesky dissenters and the weapons that empower their dissent. Then we will have peace; Thank god.
Tyranny of Police Power? So I guess Anarchy is better to you? There was not any "abuse of power", they went through the legal system to get the warrant. But, they did make a mistake that could have ended in even worse circumstances and I'm sure they will pay for it.

If the Police mistakenally started breaking down my door, I wouldn't do anything different myself. But, I wouldn't call them "Terrorists", and I wouldn't feel I was living a "tryany of police power" either. I would want to know why they got my house confused with who they really wanted to go after, I would make sure they fixed what they damaged, and that they compensated me for what happened to my family.
 

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Tyranny of Police Power? So I guess Anarchy is better to you?
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I would make sure they fixed what they damaged, and that they compensated me for what happened to my family.
Yeah actually, I would rather have Freedom and Anarchy then Oppression and Order.

And you better believe they would fix the damages. What’s the cost of not feeling safe in your own home ? Years of nightmares for every family member? Let alone the other countless side effects of this. I am sure it is a lot more than whatever amount the police give this family.
 
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Tyranny of Police Power? So I guess Anarchy is better to you? There was not any "abuse of power", they went through the legal system to get the warrant. But, they did make a mistake that could have ended in even worse circumstances and I'm sure they will pay for it.

If the Police mistakenally started breaking down my door, I wouldn't do anything different myself. But, I wouldn't call them "Terrorists", and I wouldn't feel I was living a "tryany of police power" either. I would want to know why they got my house confused with who they really wanted to go after, I would make sure they fixed what they damaged, and that they compensated me for what happened to my family.
Yes I wouldn't call them terrorists either... they have machine guns. I would on the other hand be terrified. I too would want to know why they got my house confused with who they really wanted; if I was still alive.

Yes I would prefer anarchy. Although I am not certain you could not prove that the absence of police would result in anarchy.

You know humans lived without a state police force for um around 70k years. I find it insulting to my race to suggest we need them. I also find it interesting that the first policeman where hired thugs who's job was to facilitate shaking people down for money. Isn't it interesting they, for the most part, have the same job today they did 250 years ago?

In addition I did not advocate the absence of police. I would advocate the removal of the illegal powers that they have acquired in the last 50 years. I would also like to see them removed from the role of uniformed thieves and assume the role they should have in our society; that of peace officers. You know, Norman Rockwell and all that. I cannot imagine your average West Valley traffic enforcement officer likes his job or has any illusions about what it is he really does for a living.
 

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at least we are not in CA: LINKY

RANCHO CORDOVA, Calif. (AP) - Happy holidays. Now pull over to the side of the road.

Motorists may be in for a surprise if they spot flashing red lights in their rearview mirrors in this Sacramento suburb during the holiday season.

Police are stopping law-abiding motorists and rewarding their good driving with $5 Starbucks gift cards.

A traffic officer came up with the idea to "promote the holiday spirit and enhance goodwill between the traffic unit and the motoring public," police Sgt. Tim Curran said.

Local businesses donated money to buy the gift cards.

"They raised a substantial amount of money," Curran said. "They'll be pulling over a lot of people."
I wonder how many incidental "discoveries" they hope to make.

Isn't this illegal?
 

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at least we are not in CA: LINKY

RANCHO CORDOVA, Calif. (AP) - Happy holidays. Now pull over to the side of the road.

Motorists may be in for a surprise if they spot flashing red lights in their rearview mirrors in this Sacramento suburb during the holiday season.

Police are stopping law-abiding motorists and rewarding their good driving with $5 Starbucks gift cards.

A traffic officer came up with the idea to "promote the holiday spirit and enhance goodwill between the traffic unit and the motoring public," police Sgt. Tim Curran said.

Local businesses donated money to buy the gift cards.

"They raised a substantial amount of money," Curran said. "They'll be pulling over a lot of people."
I wonder how many incidental "discoveries" they hope to make.

Isn't this illegal?
I for one, would be very upset to have my time wasted for a stupid $5 gift card.

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It's interesting how the us vs police theme tends to cycle through every gun forum every few months. It does all of us no good. We have much bigger battles to fight.

When some of us start generalizing about 'them' and begin lumping all LEOs into the same basket and demonizing against police officers rather than individual occurrences, don't you realize that we are making the exact same arguments and generalizations that the anti-gun propagandists use against us 'gun owners'?
 

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Hunter, I agree... When I was on the SWAT team, We were greatful for a "no knock" warrant. It gave us the element of surprise that we needed to keep us (Officers) safe and able to go home to our families. If someone does shoot at the officers, of course they will get taken into custody and get all the details. Its just how it has to happen to make sure everyone is in the "green". Glad that no one was injured.... Thank goodness for Body Armor. It could have been a bad Christmas for several families if there wasn't body armor.
 
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