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Hi there,
Wild Cat McCane here. (grandfathers wrestling name. He held the world title weilter weight belt in 1933 until he moved into middle weight).

Born in Sandy, just graduated from the University of Utah, and own my own business in Sandy.

I am a fan of brotherhood. I was president of my fraternity at the U of U. And I enjoy the friendships found in gun forums, so I was excited to find one specifically about utah.

I am brand new to guns. Well, real ones anyways. That fraternity I was talking about? Best real life training ever. We played airsoft nearly everyday around the house. I kid you not, amazing skills are acquired when you are getting hurt by these little 6mm plastic balls. I used a Walther P99 replica, and can't wait to own a real one. Amazing ergonomics

I bought a PF9 kel tec and hated it. Couldn't hit anything, got worse results as I shot it.

So I bought a karh PM40. Dang thing is amazing. less kick then the 9mm, more accurate then imaginable. great gun.

Just trying to figure if I want to conceal for my business. I leave late at night in a grociery complex that is always closed down when I leave.

Thats me in a nutshell, hope to get to know some people around...I have a lot of questions.

Oh, and I am a full blown liberal. So, I will try to keep it interesting too. :) :nilly:
 

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oh, and I ran for student body vice president at the U of U. and was an RA at the dorms.

our party got a large amount of votes but lost, if anyone wants to know about guns at the U, let me know.
 

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one quick question too!

Where on the wasatch front can you shot? not like at a range, but can I just go up into the hills and shoot?

Can I go on a hike and go shooting too?
 
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A liberal maybe but what kind? Never heard of a Democrate. Must be a hybrid. 8)

Kidding, anyway welcome. Guns and political beliefs do not need to be mutually exclusive. But guns are exlusive to those w/ some common sense :D

I am sure I will not be the first nor the last to ask you this question, but I do wonder how a democrat that believes in gun rights reconciles that the democratic candidates for president, both have histories of anti gun views and voting records? Where does this put someone like yourself? You would seem to be the odd man out so to speak. Would it disuade you from voting along party lines to know that whomever you vote for may do all they can to infringe on your rights as a gun owner/carrier. Just curious as to your views, not wanting to start a fight or pick on you.
 

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you sure you would like to open that can of worms?
:)

I would hate to get everyone to dislike me already!!! dang, man, you're killing me.

here we go.

I honestly am surprised how some gun owners believe it is their right to own certain types of fire arms.

A citizen can't own a missile for example. This all seems common sense to everyone. Kind of the same line of thought to me.

As a canidadate for student body vp at the u, no one cared about guns. No one in the media, or a single student asked about them.

Yet many gun owners think it is on our students minds. Heck no! i paid 3k every 5 months. I was concerned about passing. I was concerned about girls. I wasn't ever worried about shootings. The campus police are directly in the middle of the U of U.

As an RA in the dorms at the U of U I legally had to know if someone had a concealed gun in their room. Not a single one in 2004. Not one.

I am for guns in the class. if someone wants. but i would say that only 100 students had them out of 30,000. Mostly ROTC I assume.

I actually support a lot of it the regulations. Regulations are after all just laws and rules of conduct for a good citizen.

I still get to own a fire arm, after all, I have been a LAW abiding citizen. If someone hasn't been, good, don't let them.

having read a lot of the found fathers thoughts, I have to say most of the content is over exaggerated.

John Adams himself said that something along the lines of, thinking (longing to shoot, hunt, and fondle) a firearm is a waste of life that should go to reading the classics, in order to improve one's citizenship to their country. And he was not a gun hater. First trip to France, when an English cruiser came close to their ship, Adams was found among the marines with a rifle, ready to "do my part."
 

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How do you feel about the following comment "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.". Or an all out ban on handguns? Or a ban on handguns with magazines containing more than 10 rounds?
 

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I guess you could say I agree that the best system we have seen so far is a system with two different sides competing for their opinion of right and wrong.

That way a middle tends to be most appropriate to the minority groups and everyone as a whole.

I feel that a liberal side of gun issues seems more appropriate. I mean, shot, I was even surprised how easy it was for me to by my handgun, and I am completely comfortable about someone carrying.
 

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I am so excited to be here gents and ladies.

I look forward to contributing. I hope I am different in some of my ideas. nothing more boring them stale conversation.

To the question of an all out ban? or mag capacity? or even auto fire for that mater...

Its silly. The guns are out there already. Most gun owners already own a larger then 10 rnd mag.

I see that logic in this. At the same time? so what? Everything else is regulated. Fans of cars are not in favor of N20 being outlawed for street use. No one cares but them, yet I think the public feels safer because of it.
Discussion, continual changes to laws, all show public interests in the issues.
I do not feel molested that I can't own a full auto AR with a liberal president. I just don't.

I am just started at how many believe having a gun solves social issues. or that this is the most important issue. My bro in my fraternity went down to katrina area to help clean up with his church. THIS YEAR. He said it was unbelievable. Still appeared to be a 3rd world country. That is just insane to me.
 

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Doesn't seem a little hypocritical to support a person that says citizens shouldn't have the right to concealed carry weapons and then concealed carry a weapon yourself? To support a person that has historically expressed support of handgun bans but then buy and own a handgun?(one like a Walther P99 that has a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds)
 
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I would have to agree with you that those who believe no regulation whatsoever is the only way, are maybe a little off their rocker. I love guns, but honestly, I don't think the average guy in society ought to be able to own a C-130 gunship. I believe a concern I share with many on this forum is that where does the regulation stop? Many politicians have show a total disdain for guns of almost any sort and distrust for gun owners. It seems the only concessions some are willing to make, are short term to get them into office (see Obama's gun views change by the day depending on who he wants to vote for him). I guess the slippery slope argument is a key argument for the type that frequent forums such as this. While the argument seems alarmist to some, history shows that people's rights are chipped away at a bit at a time rather than all at once.

Anyway, sorry to put you in a tough spot. Thanks for being honest.

BTW: I own the Kel-tec pf9 and have found it is certainly not friendly to shoot and is capable of some very good accuracy but much of that really depends on you being patient w/ the trigger pull and your follow through. Just the basics really of handgun accuracy.
 

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I also agree you shouldn't be allowed to have any type of gun. But I don't think I've seen any conservatives suggesting that we allow citizens to have missiles or even new machine guns. I do however see some politicians suggesting that we ban handguns, concealed carry, and large magazines. Those things I disagree with.
 

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actually it was probably just mine then.

I went through 3 packets of zoom snap caps. figuring the trigger out. I got really good at it.

Still couldn't hit anything.

Without even an effort I was hitting poa with the kahr. i don't think it was me or the trigger thanks to the snap caps.
 

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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
the p99 came out in the USA in 1993? with a ten round cap.
 

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wild cat mccane said:
I do not feel molested that I can't own a full auto AR with a liberal president. I just don't.
Actually, it has never been illegal to own a full-auto, no matter whether the President was liberal or conservative. If you can afford one, there are several dealers in the area who legally sell full-autos.
 

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Yes it does come in a 10 round package for places like California where there are capacity limits. But the default package if I'm not mistaken comes with a 12 round magazine.
 

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The p99 came out with a 10 round mag.
the LE version had a 12 round mag.
Now they are at 16 rounds (using the S&W mag)

But beside the point of an intro! :)
 

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Your right it's beside the point. Opposing points of view lead to discussion and increased understanding for all involved. So reguardless of your political views you are welcome here.
:welcome:
 

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Welcome to the forum. Glad you are making a splash. Good Luck!
 
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