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I attended a school field trip for my son’s class to the Gateway Kids museum. For some unknown reason my son told his teacher i had a gun. (That problem has been nipped) So he was sent home with a message from his teacher that I could not have it. I put together some excerpts from Utah code just to have handy incase she said anything. I was concealed the whole time and nothing was said. I thought I might share the snippets with everyone here. I highlighted the relevant laws for his teacher incase she brought the subject up. I’ll email it to anyone who wants a copy. Here is what the papers said:
 

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The bold items are what was highlighted

76-10-500. Uniform law.
(1) The individual right to keep and bear arms being a constitutionally protected right, the Legislature finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state. Except as specifically provided by state law, a citizen of the United States or a lawfully admitted alien shall not be:
(a) prohibited from owning, possessing, purchasing, selling, transferring, transporting, or keeping any firearm at his place of residence, property, business, or in any vehicle lawfully in his possession or lawfully under his control; or
(b) required to have a permit or license to purchase, own, possess, transport, or keep a firearm.
(2) This part is uniformly applicable throughout this state and in all its political subdivisions and municipalities. All authority to regulate firearms shall be reserved to the state except where the Legislature specifically delegates responsibility to local authorities or state entities. Unless specifically authorized by the Legislature by statute, a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms.
Enacted by Chapter 5, 1999 General Session

76-10-501. Definitions.
(19) "State entity" means each department, commission, board, council, agency, institution, officer, corporation, fund, division, office, committee, authority, laboratory, library, unit, bureau, panel, or other administrative unit of the state.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.

Amended by Chapter 328, 1990 General Session
76-10-505.5. Possession of a dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises -- Penalties.
(1) A person may not possess any dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun, as those terms are defined in Section 76-10-501, at a place that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is on or about school premises as defined in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1).
(2) (a) Possession of a dangerous weapon on or about school premises is a class B misdemeanor.
(b) Possession of a firearm or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises is a class
 

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A misdemeanor.
(3) This section does not apply if:
(a) the person is authorized to possess a firearm as provided under Section 53-5-704, 53-5-705, 76-10-511, or 76-10-523, or as otherwise authorized by law;
(b) the possession is approved by the responsible school administrator;
(c) the item is present or to be used in connection with a lawful, approved activity and is in the possession or under the control of the person responsible for its possession or use; or
(d) the possession is:
(i) at the person's place of residence or on the person's property;
(ii) in any vehicle lawfully under the person's control, other than a vehicle owned by the school or used by the school to transport students; or
(iii) at the person's place of business which is not located in the areas described in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1)(a)(i), (ii), or (iv).
(4) This section does not prohibit prosecution of a more serious weapons offense that may occur on or about school premises.

Amended by Chapter 203, 2003 General Session
76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
(1) This part and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, do not apply to any of the following:
(a) a United States marshal;
(b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
(c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
(d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(f) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as merchandise; or
(g) a nonresident traveling in or through the state, provided that any firearm is:
(i) unloaded; and
(ii) securely encased as defined in Section 76-10-501.
(2) The provisions of Subsections 76-10-504(1)(a), (1)(b), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
(a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
(b) by another state or county.


All the above laws came from: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/code.htm
 

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Wow.....very interesting. Was any of this covered in actual conversation or was it just in a letter to the teacher?

It might be useful to engage the teacher face-on because I doubt the teacher read, much less understood, every word of that code.

Glad you were able to do some teaching. :D

As for my kids, although they know I carry a concealed handgun, it is so rarely seen that it is an 'out of sight, out of mind' thing with them. A couple times they do double-takes and still don't realize what's on my hip. I think they chalk it up to a cell phone.
 

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Well, and to think there was absolutely nothing wrong with bringing my dad & his .22 rifle to show and tell and talking about squirrel hunting when I was 6.
Of course, that was in 1966 in a small rural town in Wisconsin.
That said, it is too bad there are so many ignorant, and or snobbish liberals out there today. If there weren't so much of that going around (epidemic proportions) there would never be any problems--not really.
All the parts pointed out in your information are correct and you have no obligation to obey any intolerant and discriminatory rules trying to be shoved on you by an ignorant teacher. Let her do her job & teach responsibly--that includes when speaking concerning weapons. You should still give her that info if you haven't already.
 

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I have not given it to her. I wanted to see if she would bring it up. She said nothing. Nor did anyone else say anything. I just felt it was better to have it on hand incase something was said. I felt that it was better than me saying I could carry vs. proving with utah law that I could carry.
 

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Funny that this happened to you, as something VERY similary happened to me last night. I was at one of the local high school's for a basketball game. My wife's siblings were also there. They all know that I am a gun phreak and that I am a CFP holder. One of the BIL's asked me if I was carrying. I said, "Absolutely." He asked, "Isn't that illegal? To carry in a school??" My reply was quick and concise..."Absolutely not. The state legislature is the only entity in the state allowed to mandate firearm laws. And a public school, as an entity of the state, cannot mandate any rules or regulations regarding firearms. And currently the law states that ALL CFP holders are allowed to carry their firearms onto public school property."

They were surprised, but not in opposition to my carrying. One is a high school vice principal and the other is a seminary teacher. The seminary teacher even asked me for some references for concealed carry classes. :D
 
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