security guard CCW

I had a question, since my sister in law might be getting a security job. Does Utah law prohibit a person licensed as an unarmed security officer from carrying a concealed firearm if they have a concealed firearm permit?
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From everything I know there is no law restricting such. Individual companies who hire security, or the security company themselves though, may have their own rules which may include termination if found to be carrying a concealed weapon. Tough it is lawful to do so (carry your ccw weapon) you could lose your job. Perhaps she ought to look at working for Brinks or Loomis, at least they allow open carry of a firearm and won't terminate you for it.

If she chooses to carry any weapon while working as an unarmed guard and is caught, even if she posesses a CFP her security guard license will be pulled by DOPL.

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Who is DOPL? And what authority have they? I personally have never heard the anacronym, or a reference to such a place/group/company/agency or firm.

DOPL: http://www.dopl.utah.gov/

Thanks CarKnocker. That site helps. Lots of info I was unaware of. I guess if you did carry and weren't licensed to carry "on the job'" even if you had a ccw, they could yank your license as a "threat to the public welfare," if they so desired. It also appears that you must obtain one of two types of licenses to do security work, these include non-lethal and lethal (gun) rights per license. These must be approved by the division after application. Anyhow, this site definitely lets you know what will happen to you if found to be violating that license. Much appreciated.

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It doesn't sound like they are regulating firearms they are regulating who can be a licensed security guard. They won't stop you from carrying, they won't confiscate your gun, they won't revoke your CFP. They'll just revoke your private security guard license.

It seems like the question might be, "should I license myself for both armed & unarmed guard duties, and if so would this jeopardize my security job if I were working as an unarmed guard being licensed to do both, if I legally carried my ccw piece and were discovered to be doing so by my employer?"
Is that about right? It seems that it would be better to be licensed to do both but how would that really translate to those in control?

Ok, so along the same lines....sorta.

What about carrying if your not a licenced sec. guard, but are working as "volunteer" security at a heavily attended event?

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Ok, so along the same lines....sorta.

What about carrying if your not a licenced sec. guard, but are working as "volunteer" security at a heavily attended event?

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I could see issues with this only because the event organizer assumes liability for your actions even as a volunteer.

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I'm not so sure. If you really want to carry then you can get a license to be an armed security guard. And the problem is that I don't think an unarmed security guard with a ccp and an armed security guard would be the same so they probably just want you to get the correct training to be an armed security guard before you started carrying on the job.

I'm guessing that the intention isn't to restict who can carry but instead to restrict what a security guard may do based on what training they have received.

I think the reasoning is this, a company (client) contracts with the security company for a specific type (armed / unarmed) guard based on their wants and needs. If an unarmed guard is found carrying while employed by the client (through the security co.), that would be a violation of the contract and possibly the clients gun policies. Hence, the security co. could lose the contract, and payment for services provided by that particular guard. Plus it wouldn't take long for corporate word o mouth to spread about a company that used bad business practices.

I am not saying it is right, but it is what it is.

Also, I'm sure the guard will sign a lot of paperwork that has a "no carry of personal / concealed weapons" verbiage tucked in the middle of lawyer mumbo jumbo at time of hire.

If you go to DOPL's website, look up the info on armed & unarmed guards. You can even be fined by them for violations which can also be considered a misdemeanor offense. Most loose their ability to be licensed by the State for up to 5 years. If you look at the requirements for a licensed unarmed guard it states they must not have any weapons or access to any weapons while they are working.